Charlie Kirks wife forgives the killer

[strangerandstranger]

To people who said her husband was hateful and what they preached was hateful, she just forgave the killer, as God would. Powerful speech.

The messed up young man who thought shooting man he didn't like was the answer, will go to prison and no longer be with his boyfriend. Erika Kirk no longer has her husband and her children have list their father.

I believe you are missing my point.

I am not disputing the number of crimes involving black people. I am disputing your assertion this is down to their race. Overwhelming evidence points to socio economic factors being the main driver behind crime rates. Dispute this all you like, but you are disputing hard evidence. Peer reviewed studies.

I'd wager you have preconceived bias. I wonder why.

Yes, it’s all rather transparent.

You've implied it throughout.

You have associated violence with race while dismissing any other factors out of hand.

What other reasonable conclusion can one draw?

@RingoJuice Your replies are soaked in racism. Are you that comfortable with your words, that you haven't noticed.

Wealthy black children go to prison at higher rates than the poor white children. The study is linked in the article if you want to look further. It also includes data on Hispanic children, which is rare (they are now more numerous than blacks in America and deserve to be considered a bit more in these sorts of comparisons)

www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/23/poor-white-kids-are-less-likely-to-go-to-prison-than-rich-black-kids

@Plastictreeesok I don’t want to jump into a debate that’s not mine (I don’t know where I sit on this one) - but hear me out- hypothetically , to say more black people commit crime doesn’t mean they are predisposed to it? It could be for cultural (eg rap, hip hop, idols and what is ‘cool’) or historical reasons, a need to fight (defend themselves), related to history of slavery or abuse, more broken homes and feelings of abandonment etc. But acknowledging the link (eg saying there is an observable black problem with violence) might mean that we can look deeper into WHY and how to solve it. It is partly socio economic, absolutely ,but is it more than that? If we can’t seriously consider it with our being called racist we can’t ever know. And you won’t find studies on it because people would be too scared to conduct them.

Yes. Because I have said nothing racist.

I don’t accept the socioeconomic explanation. I don’t think poverty causes you to murder people. And think it’s insulting to people in real poverty to imply that.

The disparity is a lot smaller the wealthier they are, which goes some way to proving my point.

But, you've looked at the economics factors, you now just need to consider the social factors. And then the penny will drop.

Indeed. The fact these posts have been deleted shows this too.

The racist posts have now been deleted.

But the evidence doesn't care about your feelings. You can dispute the studies all you like, but you may as well just go outside and yell at the clouds.

It's not partly down to socio economic reasons. It is SOLELY down to economic reasons. The evidence is all there. Numerous peer reviews studies have said this

If you don't agree with them, fine. But please back it up with something resembling evidence.

I reported your posts for racism and they got deleted, so that doesn’t compute I’m afraid.

I have said nothing racist.

Do you not believe thinking black people are more violent than white people while refusing to consider any other factors might be problematic? Do you not believe that's racist in any way?

No it’s not.

Native Americans have the highest poverty rates of any American group. This is not disputed. And while they have higher than average rates of violence, they don’t have the highest rates of violent crime.

Why don't you repeat what you've said so that we can test that theory for ourselves? Justify your argument in some way?

You do realise that your position embodies a self fulfilling prophecy? More black people show up in crime stats because of systemic racism. Black people get pulled over more because there are inbuilt prejudices and assumptions of criminality. They receive harsher sentences so are more likely to be over represented in the prison population if they do offend. They can be "fitted up" due to ingrained prejudice from those who resent the on paper equality afforded to them post segregation.

Are you really going to deny these long established facts?

You are continually dismissing social factors. Why?

But, you're arguing with peer reviewed studies, not me. I've done all I can to educate you, to point you in the right direction so you can at least question your beliefs. You refuse to, for whatever reason.

I do not dismiss cultural factors and indeed,
I don’t think this stuff is necessarily hard wired. Crime rates have gone up and down throughout history and among different groups.

But we need to be clear about what is going on.

Please link the study you cite

You might have some of this. I’m sure public defenders aren’t breaking their hearts for their clients.

But I think this shows we need a color blind approach that will dole out harsher sentencing. I would be hugely in favor of that—wouldn’t you?

Cultural factors? What are 'cultural' factors? These kind of comments are exactly why you are being accused of racism.

Google 'Harvard Sampson crime rate study'. And read a summary

Prison doesn't work in its current morph. As far as rehabilitation is concerned, anyway.

There is zero correlation between length of time served and reduced rate of reoffending. It works the other way.

Harsher sentencing in what context? Each case, regardless of race of the offenders should be weighed up and sentencing should be decided on evidence, mitigating factors and risk to the public. And of course the colour of the defendants skin should be irrelevant.

See, here is where our divergence is highlighted.

I just don’t care about rehabilitation. I care about public safety.

I want violent men of all and any group to remain in prison, and I don’t care if they ever come out.