Charlie Kirks wife forgives the killer

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To people who said her husband was hateful and what they preached was hateful, she just forgave the killer, as God would. Powerful speech.

The messed up young man who thought shooting man he didn't like was the answer, will go to prison and no longer be with his boyfriend. Erika Kirk no longer has her husband and her children have list their father.

I think it goes without saying that murdering someone for their opinion is never ever justified and should never ever happen. But let's not also pretend that hate can't be insidious and quiet. Just because he packaged it up nicely doesn't make his views any less harmful and hate filled.

A belief system that expects a woman who has just lost her husband violently to publicly forgive the killer within days is a belief system that is entirely toxic. There is no way psychologically she can be at the point she is saying she is.

But it is now clear that the radicalised leftists are the party of murder and the dangerous side of the equation. Centrist and right wing people are generally amenable to discussion.

Entirely wrong. Right-wing extremist killings outpace the left consistently and by a wide margin.

https://theconversation.com/right-wing-extremist-violence-is-more-frequent-and-more-deadly-than-left-wing-violence-what-the-data-shows-265367

@FuckRealityBringMeABook have you ever read the Bible?

No indeed he did not do those things. Had he done so, I'd have described that rather than the completely different behaviour I observed and described in my post, obviously. So that's a silly question, isn't it?
You can assume what you please, or you, and indeed anyone else who is interested may simply Google his name and Cambridge debate and can watch it yourselves. Simply quoting words does not fully demonstrate his lack of courtesy. I'm sure you understand that anger and dismissal of others can be observed in tone, expression and stance?

Careful now, we don’t want any facts here 😄

The way they categorize those murders are illogical. IIRC they place Islamic terror attacks as ‘right wing’ murders. They shouldn’t be included at all in such a study, it’s a completely different thing. Many other strange examples. So yeah, they lie with statistics.

I have read parts of the Bible. Got a bit bogged down in Numbers I will admit. Jesus`s message of love and tolerance is great, I can get on board with that. But that is a separate entity from the belief system that CK was part of. I maintain it is toxic to expect and praise instaforgiveness in such terrible circumstances. Forgiveness is an action not a word, and it is a long hard path.

I'm referring to his behaviour and the level of courtesy I observed in his attitude and tone. Which in my opinion fell well short of the level of respect I'd expect from a man claiming Christian values and polite open debate. You may of course apply different standards.
The first young woman, the Asian woman, asked him why he wouldn't debate a certain individual. His response was to sneer at her and say "I've travelled all the way here for you to ask me that?" In a rude and belittling manner.

How many gun deaths per year would it need before you would accept there is a gun problem in the US (currently 40k)? Or is any amount of deaths acceptable provided gun control doesn't infringe on your second amendment rights?

Studies don't back up your opinion. But they back up mine.

I said there was plenty we can do to lower gun deaths in the US? The big problem is unlicensed guns, so confiscating these as well as stop and frisk will go a long way to reducing this problem. There is no need to be so absolutist

Show your work. Because American studies have long shown that poverty has only a limited effect on criminal behavior

What's an acceptable number of annual gun deaths to you? If that 40k figure was brought down to 10k, would you deem that as an acceptable figure?

I agree. I personally find him to be utterly condescending, glib and unlikeable. And that’s without even considering his abhorrent views!

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We would have to see what effects mass incarceration, stop and frisk, and stricter standards for gun ownership would be. Personally I feel it would massively cut back on gun deaths, but we will have to see the results

Surely no-one is surprised by this!

So, you won't give me your view of an acceptable figure of annual gun deaths?

You do know that the top 10 most violent cities in the US are All Democratic led so it would stand to reason that there should be state sponsored armed guards on the streets.
Thats not an agenda it's a fact.
Where is the agenda?
Just to reiterate every last one of the top ten most violent cities are led by Democrats.
Every.
Last.
One

No.

Because the acceptable number is as low as you can get it. Like car deaths. How many are acceptable? You could get to zero if you took all cars away, but it’s not a realistic measure, is it?

And the point here is what?

@Poetnojo I travel extensively around the US regularly and you can always immediately identify a red or a blue city from the state of the streets and in particular signs of crime and disorder.