Charlie Kirks wife forgives the killer

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To people who said her husband was hateful and what they preached was hateful, she just forgave the killer, as God would. Powerful speech.

The messed up young man who thought shooting man he didn't like was the answer, will go to prison and no longer be with his boyfriend. Erika Kirk no longer has her husband and her children have list their father.

@BerylSnowperhaps, but they’re so far gone… how do you 1) remove the guns and 2) remove the sense of guns as freedom that’s core to so many and fundamental to the country’s history?

No I haven't. I'll watch it. I just can't see an argument FOR guns, so am interested.

Thanks for being respectful throughout this debate, though!

@BerylSnowi was just thinking the same!

Guns aren't fundamental to US history at all. They're intertwined with their culture, but that's about it. But, yes, god knows how you wind it back now.

We're on guns now?

Guns are fundamental to the US history because (as they still say) if it hadn't been for guns they would not have been able to cross the country in their covered wagon trains to settle to the west coast. It was their manifest destiny (ie God given right) to settle that vast fertile land that God had created just for them and those hostile native people and wild animals would have made it impossible to do so. This is still said on Reddit, Quora etc.

I know this because I've been part of many convos on those other sites.

It is one of the reasons they look down on us Australians. We "allowed the govt to take our guns off us" along with being descended from all convict stock (not free settlers as they were) and not having fought the British for freedom but having negotiated it instead. Most of them clearly don't know history or geography except how it pertains to them.

I'm on guns. You don't have to be on guns, of course.

But, you make a fair point and, in that context, the poster was absolutely right.

Though again, in that context, guns are fundamental to pretty much everyone's history. Except most of us consigned them to exactly that.

I haven't read the whole thread. 20+ pages this morning when I got up. I meant the thread has moved on to guns. Sorry!

He actively spoke in contradiction of Christ's teaching.

I’m an atheist but I have read quite a lot on comparative religions, just because it’s really interesting.
Thats my assessment of the teachings of Christ, too.
This man seemed to be in opposition to many of them.

Excuse me, but I don't think people were saying that at all. Almost everyone seems to agree that Kirk was a courteous, supposedly open person. And people who are religious would probably agree that he spoke often of love. But there were certainly very marked aspects of his beliefs that were anti-black, anti-women, etc.

@MeTooOverHereCan you provide examples/ quotes?

You don’t need to. Gun licensing works, stop and frisk works. Maximalists on both sides are unpopular, and there’s a lot we can do without getting demoralized over it.

Actually, it doesn’t. It’s just cope because you don’t want to deal with the actual problem.

Poor Hispanics deal with many of the same ‘socioeconomic’ factors that black people face. And yet, they do not commit crime at nearly the same rates. We should have this conversation and not just dismiss it with ‘socioeconomic factors’ which is hand wavey bullshit.

They're not one person. She can claim to forgive the killer, and he can still have been hateful, dangerous, hypocritical and inciting of violence and discrimination.

@wineosaurusrexwould love to see explore this, honestly, but what I’ve seen and watched does not tell me this (and I’ve seen quite a bit). Can you provide specific examples and quotes with context?

I've watched the Cambridge debate. Unfortunately I don't even consider him courteous. He treated the first (Asian woman in religious clothing as it happened) with contempt and could barely contain his rage when bettered by young people with superior intellectual ability and knowledge to himself. He threw his dummy out of the pram after being confronted with the confidence of young people with facts at hand and debating skilks that bettered his own, then rounded off with insults to the students and to the UK. He came across as an arrogant and very angry young man. I was surprised at his reputation for being polite and open to challenge and felt it undeserved.

Yeah, bet it won't be.

I would hope ‘forgiveness’ doesn’t mean letting him escape consequences. What is the point of such forgiveness? He hasn’t repented and he probably never will.

It this sort of softness that makes Christianity really unappealing to me.

Rest assured, it won't. You'll find that the ambiguity of the Bible and the convenience of being able to slip between the draconian old testament and the the letters of St Paul allow an argument to be made that pretty much any atrocity against another human being can be justified as God's will.

Just because she said it doesn’t make it true

Honestly, this made me laugh. This thread is actually about forgiveness (apparently) and non violence. If the hypocrisy of non violence and state supported execution doesn't strike you as odd, then I bring you state sponsored armed guards on the (democratic states voting) streets. I bring you masked ICE agents abducting ethnic minorities and imprisoning them.

Honestly, I don't even believe you are deluded, I think it's worse, you have your own agenda.

I didn’t really agree with Kirk’s widow forgiving the killer when he’s shown zero remorse but it’s not up to me to tell her how to grieve.

But a line is crossed if she tries to interfere with public justice.

Not sure what this has to do with ICE—to
me, they haven’t deported enough people. We have 10 million illegal immigrants in the US (at least) and we are tired of it. This is why we voted for Trump.

@5128gapthat wasn’t my impression at all. Can you include the quotes you refer to?