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Charlie Kirks wife forgives the killer

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strangerandstranger · 21/09/2025 23:22

To people who said her husband was hateful and what they preached was hateful, she just forgave the killer, as God would. Powerful speech.

The messed up young man who thought shooting man he didn't like was the answer, will go to prison and no longer be with his boyfriend. Erika Kirk no longer has her husband and her children have list their father.

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GoodTimesNoodleSalad · 22/09/2025 20:09

BerylSnow · 22/09/2025 19:55

Then it's not free speech, is it? That lady over here (UK) spouted some hateful stuff towards immigrants and was then jailed for it.

Is that both freedom of expression, and freedom of expression with consequences?

I don’t agree with the phrase, but it was so often used by the left against those they had fired/cancelled/pushed out of public debate, that it’s quite funny to say it now and watch them squirm. They’re getting a taste of their own medicine.

FuckRealityBringMeABook · 22/09/2025 20:09

CK should not have been shot. I am sure his wife is sincere in her grief. But if you think this speech was not entirely performative and about protecting the brand, I have a bridge to sell you.

BerylSnow · 22/09/2025 20:48

RingoJuice · 22/09/2025 08:06

Taking a colorblind approach in the justice system will lead to a disproportionate amount of African Americans in prison, and we need to be okay with that and stop making excuses for it.

It is a fact that 1 in 5 African American males will be in prison at some point in their life, versus 1 in 25 for white American males.

I’m tired of the excuses. There is a reason families choose to leave urban school districts, and it’s not down to racism. It was always the violence.

So despite being a non-Christian and pro-choice, I have voted Republican since the Trump era because I want to see harsher penalties towards crime.

You do know this is more to do with socio economics and education than race? You know this, right?

Wishing14 · 22/09/2025 20:48

Americans are pro guns because of the history of their country, because they hold a power that we in this country do not - the country was founded by people fleeing from religious persecution and so the right to bare arms means that you (in theory) hold power, autonomy and in that sense (positive) freedom. To give up guns is to give up that power/ freedom.
It’s a belief that logically makes sense.
Of course, taken to the extreme the constitution contradicts itself because of the clash between positive and negative freedom. But surely people can understand the history and why it is held so fundamental to many Americans? I hate guns and disagree with them overall, but I get it. It’s such a complex thing.
Charlie Kirk was anti-violence though. He didn’t go around shooting people.

BerylSnow · 22/09/2025 20:51

GoodTimesNoodleSalad · 22/09/2025 20:09

I don’t agree with the phrase, but it was so often used by the left against those they had fired/cancelled/pushed out of public debate, that it’s quite funny to say it now and watch them squirm. They’re getting a taste of their own medicine.

You don't agree with the phrase, yet use it? So, you don't sctually believe what you are writing here? Do I have that correct?

BerylSnow · 22/09/2025 20:54

Wishing14 · 22/09/2025 20:48

Americans are pro guns because of the history of their country, because they hold a power that we in this country do not - the country was founded by people fleeing from religious persecution and so the right to bare arms means that you (in theory) hold power, autonomy and in that sense (positive) freedom. To give up guns is to give up that power/ freedom.
It’s a belief that logically makes sense.
Of course, taken to the extreme the constitution contradicts itself because of the clash between positive and negative freedom. But surely people can understand the history and why it is held so fundamental to many Americans? I hate guns and disagree with them overall, but I get it. It’s such a complex thing.
Charlie Kirk was anti-violence though. He didn’t go around shooting people.

But is quoted as saying gun deaths are worth it if it meant holding up the second amendment.

I'm not entirely certain if that qualifies as anti violence.

GoodTimesNoodleSalad · 22/09/2025 20:55

BerylSnow · 22/09/2025 20:51

You don't agree with the phrase, yet use it? So, you don't sctually believe what you are writing here? Do I have that correct?

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I’ve explained why. It’s funny to parrot the left’s narrative back to them now the boot’s on the other foot.

labtest57 · 22/09/2025 20:57

awkwardasfuck · 22/09/2025 17:12

No labtest, you grow up. Although I imagine you will fail at that.

Childish insults again. How original.

Plastictreees · 22/09/2025 20:57

It’s like the twilight zone on MN recently. Religious zealots, racism denial and outright lunacy. I truly believe some posters have lost their grip on reality. Thoughts and prayers 😄

awkwardasfuck · 22/09/2025 21:00

labtest57 · 22/09/2025 20:57

Childish insults again. How original.

Mate. Give up.

Wishing14 · 22/09/2025 21:03

@BerylSnowyes because logically power and freedom trumps everything.
His argument was if we talk then we don’t need to resort to violence. He didn’t condone violence just that it’s the price we pay in todays world. I think he would say to follow the teachings of Christ is the most important thing to give people a moral code/ sense of purpose, and in theory that should equal less violence and shootings.
If his teachings led some people to lead good lives who otherwise wouldn’t have, does that mean he’s also pro-goodness? I don’t think words are literal violence and if they are then are they also literal goodness if they inspire good things..?

BerylSnow · 22/09/2025 21:05

GoodTimesNoodleSalad · 22/09/2025 20:55

I’ve explained why. It’s funny to parrot the left’s narrative back to them now the boot’s on the other foot.

You said as much in retrospect. It's all a little disingenuous.

What else will you tell us that you were 'joking' about when your hypocrisy is highlighted?

BerylSnow · 22/09/2025 21:09

Wishing14 · 22/09/2025 21:03

@BerylSnowyes because logically power and freedom trumps everything.
His argument was if we talk then we don’t need to resort to violence. He didn’t condone violence just that it’s the price we pay in todays world. I think he would say to follow the teachings of Christ is the most important thing to give people a moral code/ sense of purpose, and in theory that should equal less violence and shootings.
If his teachings led some people to lead good lives who otherwise wouldn’t have, does that mean he’s also pro-goodness? I don’t think words are literal violence and if they are then are they also literal goodness if they inspire good things..?

'Good' is a judgement, and I'm sure we all have a different measure on what is 'good'.

I'm sure Kirk didn't actively go out inciting violence, but he was clearly willing to look the other way if and when it took place. Anti-violence, really?

GoodTimesNoodleSalad · 22/09/2025 21:12

BerylSnow · 22/09/2025 21:05

You said as much in retrospect. It's all a little disingenuous.

What else will you tell us that you were 'joking' about when your hypocrisy is highlighted?

What on earth are you talking about?

Nothing you’ve said makes the slightest bit of sense.

BerylSnow · 22/09/2025 21:15

GoodTimesNoodleSalad · 22/09/2025 21:12

What on earth are you talking about?

Nothing you’ve said makes the slightest bit of sense.

Well, it does. But I can see why you don't want it to make sense!

Wishing14 · 22/09/2025 21:15

@BerylSnowbut everyone looks the other way to some degree. I mean, many of us chat and debate on here but go to work, do our normal jobs, look after our families. At least he was really DOING something. Standing up and talking to people who not only disagreed with him but really and truly hated him, over and over again. He had a vision and belief he wanted to inspire in others, and I don’t agree with everything he said but I think that’s really admirable. And absolutely terrifying and impossible for 99% of people to ever imagine doing. But i think it’s a big thing to hold him accountable for all wrongs inflicted by guns because he is pro guns.

BerylSnow · 22/09/2025 21:20

Wishing14 · 22/09/2025 21:15

@BerylSnowbut everyone looks the other way to some degree. I mean, many of us chat and debate on here but go to work, do our normal jobs, look after our families. At least he was really DOING something. Standing up and talking to people who not only disagreed with him but really and truly hated him, over and over again. He had a vision and belief he wanted to inspire in others, and I don’t agree with everything he said but I think that’s really admirable. And absolutely terrifying and impossible for 99% of people to ever imagine doing. But i think it’s a big thing to hold him accountable for all wrongs inflicted by guns because he is pro guns.

No. I'm holding him accountable for what he said. He's very obviously not responsible for every - or any - gun death. But he said some deaths were acceptable if it meant being able to have guns. That's not an anti violence stance. That's saying 'some violence is acceptable if we can have guns'.

Conservative Americans (and probably a fair chunk of the left) have lost every inch of perspective when it comes to gun violence. It's insanity looking at it from afar.

GoodTimesNoodleSalad · 22/09/2025 21:25

BerylSnow · 22/09/2025 21:15

Well, it does. But I can see why you don't want it to make sense!

You lack reading comprehension, never mind.

Wishing14 · 22/09/2025 21:25

@BerylSnow
This is long, I’m sorry but maybe worth posting if you’ve not read it. I don’t think it’s as simple that and I think his words explain it better than I would -

“Yeah, it's a great question. Thank you. So, I'm a big Second Amendment fan but I think most politicians are cowards when it comes to defending why we have a Second Amendment. This is why I would not be a good politician, or maybe I would, I don't know, because I actually speak my mind.
The Second Amendment is not about hunting. I love hunting. The Second Amendment is not even about personal defense. That is important. The Second Amendment is there, God forbid, so that you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government. And if that talk scares you — "wow, that's radical, Charlie, I don't know about that" — well then, you have not really read any of the literature of our Founding Fathers. Number two, you've not read any 20th-century history. You're just living in Narnia. By the way, if you're actually living in Narnia, you would be wiser than wherever you're living, because C.S. Lewis was really smart. So I don't know what alternative universe you're living in. You just don't want to face reality that governments tend to get tyrannical and that if people need an ability to protect themselves and their communities and their families.
Now, we must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price. 50,000 people die on the road every year. That's a price. You get rid of driving, you'd have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving — speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services — is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.
You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's drivel. But I am, I, I — I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.
So then, how do you reduce? Very simple. People say, oh, Charlie, how do you stop school shootings? I don't know. How did we stop shootings at baseball games? Because we have armed guards outside of baseball games. That's why. How did we stop all the shootings at airports? We have armed guards outside of airports. How do we stop all the shootings at banks? We have armed guards outside of banks. How did we stop all the shootings at gun shows? Notice there's not a lot of mass shootings at gun shows, there's all these guns. Because everyone's armed. If our money and our sporting events and our airplanes have armed guards, why don't our children?”

BerylSnow · 22/09/2025 21:27

Double post.

BerylSnow · 22/09/2025 21:27

GoodTimesNoodleSalad · 22/09/2025 21:25

You lack reading comprehension, never mind.

And there follows the insults like night follows day. Never go changin', right wingers!

BerylSnow · 22/09/2025 21:31

@Wishing14

I've watched the quote before. The context sctually makes it worse.

How do you stop school shootings? Put armed guards in schools, of course!

As I say, Americans have lost all perspective. It's crazy.

Wishing14 · 22/09/2025 21:33

@BerylSnow you maybe are right if we continue live under governments we can control and live the lives we have gotten used to. But it’s not guaranteed. I’m not saying I agree, I can see both sides of it. They both make sense to me.

Wishing14 · 22/09/2025 21:35

@BerylSnowhave you seen the it’s always sunny in Philadelphia episode on guns? It’s really good for showing both ‘sides’

BerylSnow · 22/09/2025 21:36

Wishing14 · 22/09/2025 21:33

@BerylSnow you maybe are right if we continue live under governments we can control and live the lives we have gotten used to. But it’s not guaranteed. I’m not saying I agree, I can see both sides of it. They both make sense to me.

@Wishing14 I think you go with the balance of probabilities. Well sensible countries do (fewer guns deaths, no rogue governments) but the States is far from sensible at the moment.

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