Charlie Kirks wife forgives the killer

[strangerandstranger]

To people who said her husband was hateful and what they preached was hateful, she just forgave the killer, as God would. Powerful speech.

The messed up young man who thought shooting man he didn't like was the answer, will go to prison and no longer be with his boyfriend. Erika Kirk no longer has her husband and her children have list their father.

It astonishes me that people cannot see this.

They don't believe they are "hating" the person though. They say it regularly themselves, they love the person but hate the 'sin'. There is a real serious problem with people seeing an adverse opinion as 'hate'. It's narrow-minded bigotry to ascribe 'hate' to a person's beliefs. Just because someone has a different view to you, doesn't mean they 'hate' you. Society has completely lost touch with what 'hate' actually means.

Pretending to believe in God (who by the way, is all-loving) does not take away from all the truly hateful things that man said when he was alive.

Do you honestly think it was genuine, from the heart words? I must have watched something different

Well obviously, that goes without saying. What we're considering here is whether it's possible for those with strong views on binary issues to compromise. I believe it isn't. Some will accept and tolerate. Others will protest and campaign peacefully. Others still will use violence or misuse power to force their way.
Its obvious that options 1 or 2 are the desirable ones. But in a country where the president misuses his power to shut down debate, and unstable young men have easy access to guns, we see far too much of the third.

You probably came at it with a different prejudgment. I haven’t followed CK or heard Erika speak before and yes I’d say she was grieving rn. Why wouldn’t she be?

Perhaps, but isnt it important to know what went on prior to this. You could say that about anyone, the worst people in the world will have family who unconditionally love them so are devastated at their death. I believe her grief is real, I also believe that what we saw last night was very much staged for political gain.

Listen to what some African representatives of the Christian church have to say about homosexuals. Abomination regularly crops up. Sounds like hate to me.

Even Ted Bundy could be charming.

Don’t mistake smirking smoothness for respect. His views on Muslims, Jews, black people and feminists did show hatred and contempt for them.

Yes, as a deeply religious person, I don’t think Charlie believed in God.

God for me is loving and kind, the direct antithesis of Charlie’s beliefs.

Or, or.... just maybe, he spoke to college students because he knew they are being brainwashed (at least re trans ideology) and he wanted to get them to think! And btw, I am a woman of colour myself and am very pro-choice, so I find many of his views utterly abhorrent. But I do understand why he wanted to speak to college students as he saw them being brainwashed and he thought they weren't getting the full story/getting one sided indoctrination.

This is a joke, right? 😂

This one is for you

One of our own in the context of governor cox meant an American, not a foreigner. If you read or heard the original source, you would know that.

So either you repeated what you heard without looking into the context or you KNOW and want to spread misinformation.

I’m just amazed that people don’t think college kids are “grown ups”. They are all obviously adults and many will be in their mid 20’s. They shouldn’t be at university if they’re not capable of debate and making their own minds up.

His family haven't spoken publicly, but they have spoken to the FBI, and FBI have told us some of what they said.

As a Christian I fully agree with this. There is no space for the hate nor control of anyone in Christianity irregardless of whether or not you agree with someone's identity/lifestyle/choices etc.

No, he didn’t. He used the bits of his ‘debates’ with college kids to make himself look good in videos he called things like ‘Charlie DESTROYS xx college’, ‘Charlie CRUSHES xx college’

It’s all about clicks for him and votes for Trump.

Clicks = votes = 💰💰💰for Charlie

What have the FBI said? Any links?

not really. Have you heard of the teacher in Batley?
In hiding for nearly 5 years.
Can you imagine this happening if the comments had been about Jesus? No, neither can I.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/31/batley-school-what-teacher-in-hiding-can-tell-us-about-our-failure-to-tackle-intolerance

I want to lock up violent people, all violent people.

I just don’t want to hear you complain, ‘oh, but the prison population is disproportionately black!’ Like who cares, nobody whines that 90%+ of the prison population is male.

(See, and this is how I know you CAN understand the concept of per capita)

@nomas the clue is in the fact that the governor is the governor of Utah, the state which, indisputably, the shooter hails from. He was quite obviously not speaking of any political affiliation as the shooter was registered as “unaffiliated “.

I agree that is why he targets them though, but where would you draw the line. Extremists prey on those who they believe they can convince to think the same as them. I totally understand why he targeted them.

My gay friend committed suicide as his family were very religious and he was convinced there was something wrong with him. He wont be the only one. Same for women who have been forced to continue unwanted pregnancies.

The only thing I agreed with him with is the one scientific fact he discussed which is that you cannot biologically change sex so therefore women's rights to single sex spaces should be protected. I dont agree with most his other beliefs re trans people though or basically anything else he stood for.

However I dont need anyone else to agree with me and certainly wouldn't push my views on most people in RL unless asked for my opinion. Within my close family we have debated this and obv on MN its what its here for.

Oh please! From the context of the speech it was clear the governor was gutted it wasn’t a Democrat or Muslim.

Charlie Kirk used his privilege and his platform to spread hate. His wife chose to stand on that platform with him and reap the benefits. That doesn't mean he deserved to be shot, of course. But we can only assume they were cut from the same cloth.

I'd have thought that any one with that motive would have taken the stance of 'some people believe this, because of this or that information/evidence. Other people believe that, because of this other information/evidence. Have a good look at both and come to your own conclusion as to what you support'.
Which is the approach I believe should be taken by anyone who is concerned with educating, and needs to teach about the existence of things upon which there is no consensus.
And what divides those who seek to encourage critical thinking from those who seek simply to recruit to their own cause.