Charlie Kirks wife forgives the killer

[strangerandstranger]

To people who said her husband was hateful and what they preached was hateful, she just forgave the killer, as God would. Powerful speech.

The messed up young man who thought shooting man he didn't like was the answer, will go to prison and no longer be with his boyfriend. Erika Kirk no longer has her husband and her children have list their father.

It’s an unusual person who can forgive in these circumstances.

It’s an extremely unusual person who can do so so soon in the grieving process.

I hope that this woman can grieve in privacy and that use has the support she needs.

What a load of tripe.

Abortion is black and white for people like CK. He was very clear on that and even when pushed with the extreme hypothetical example, did not waiver. He would not have considered allowing abortion in some circumstances to be a compromise, but a position of complete opposition to what he believed right.
However, he was very young, with limited life experience, and of course a man, so a less qualified person to take a firm view on the issue would probably be hard to find. So there is a remote possibility that in time with broader experience he may have moved to a more moderate position.
Unfortunately in the examples you list of an 'in some circumstances' approach, a compromise has not been reached. People who don't believe in the death penalty do not believe its acceptable in some circumstances. People who believe men can't change into women do not believe that this is possible in some circumstances.
Some people who believe these things strongly enough are not able to say 'oh well, that's what society thinks'. They want to change society. Which has forever been the case, and as forever has been the case, one side wins, one loses. Because a win/win isn't possible.

I assume we can declare muslims who believe this to be hateful facists and not feel sad if anyone murders them?

Why do you think people would tolerate these views more in Muslims?

So you’re just going to ignore the other 40%? How about we just collectively agree that all murder is bad regardless of who commits it?

She had a brand to run now, too much money at stake for her to do anything but become its new mouth piece. If they let her long term that’s, given that the women are supposed to stay at home with the kids and submit to men.

Oh so that’s okay then, sure.

Also, who says they’re never going to confess but leaves a confession under their keyboard?

I find this response an excellent example of people being not only closed minded but also so full of righteousness they feel their response does not need any explanation, just their judgement.

No why it is 'tripe', no questioning of their feelings or my contribution to this thread, no asking why. At least in my opinion Kirk was better at this than this poster, he at least asked and questioned

How much explanation do you want? I think the post I was responding to was tripe. That’s why I said it. And why would I need to question my feelings?

A compromise does not need to be reached in how one person feels about something. A compromise needs to be reached in the laws of society for society to work. Disagree with the law, debate the law. Unhappy with the law, fight to change the law. Can't change the law, make the most of it and try to live within it. Don't shoot the people who agree with the law.

It was awful. The horrendously fake behaviour from Trump also, it was so staged its embarrassing. The clips I saw showed her stood up there completely alone just sobbing, its all been staged for maximum impact on viewers. Obviously she is devastated Im sure but in RL she would have had someone who loved her there for support, instead of Trump who didnt even want to hug her and couldnt wait to push her off.

Charlie Kirk was an awful person with awful views and preyed on college students to try and get them to take on his views. People are fooled because he spoke well but he is no different to Trump and the like. The while thing was very manipulative. EK will now continue his hateful work in the name of religion. I hate that these people are given such a platform to spout their extremist views.

Good for Erika, must have taken an awful lot of strength to say those words in public so soon after her husband’s murder. Hopefully she’ll be inspirational to many in terms of granting forgiveness instead of seeking revenge.

How will I understand your position and why you think this is 'tripe' if you just resort to namecalling. Now all I will do is just ignore you because you are being extremely unhelpful.

Normally I would ignore a post like yours, but in a thread where we are debating that there is no debate in society, I though it was helpful to point out your post was as helpful as giving a knife to eat soup

@Hidingbehindthechaos ”preying” on college students? You must have a pretty dim view of their intellect if you don’t think they’re perfectly capable of making their own minds up. He didn’t force anyone to attend his meetings or engage in a debate with him.

I disagree with you there, its how extremists work. I have a dim view on your simplistic view on this. He was a dangerous man and knew exactly what he was doing.

Honestly, most people with any reasonable level of intellect will see through the absolute circus of last night. That is not to say she is not devastated of course, she very clearly adored him as did their children.

I feel desperately sad for her, regardless of everything else. The poor woman and poor little kids.

@Hidingbehindthechaos I don’t like to dismiss people who have a completely different view to me (as Charlie Kirk did) of lacking in intellect.

We don’t know what he was at the moment.

The republican governor of Utah said he was gutted that he was ‘one of our own’.

His family haven’t spoken publicly so no idea why people are attributing quotes to them.

And this is the problem.
People who see debate and using words as ‘dangerous’ are the dangerous ones.
Shutting down debate is THE MOST dangerous thing to do. That way, people feel they have nowhere to go with their thoughts and beliefs, so they resort to social rebellion and violence.

💯 His death has certainly opened up opportunities for political gain. The world stage.

Debate is not dangerous, extremists are though.

He exploited young college kids for clicks. He was too afraid to debate grown ups.

I don’t think her words need to be dismissed. She will be grieving.