Charlie Kirks wife forgives the killer

[strangerandstranger]

To people who said her husband was hateful and what they preached was hateful, she just forgave the killer, as God would. Powerful speech.

The messed up young man who thought shooting man he didn't like was the answer, will go to prison and no longer be with his boyfriend. Erika Kirk no longer has her husband and her children have list their father.

Taking a colorblind approach in the justice system will lead to a disproportionate amount of African Americans in prison, and we need to be okay with that and stop making excuses for it.

It is a fact that 1 in 5 African American males will be in prison at some point in their life, versus 1 in 25 for white American males.

I’m tired of the excuses. There is a reason families choose to leave urban school districts, and it’s not down to racism. It was always the violence.

So despite being a non-Christian and pro-choice, I have voted Republican since the Trump era because I want to see harsher penalties towards crime.

What vile views did he have? Can you actually list any?

And how has that worked out for you?

You do realise there’s reasoning behind this? Including young black boys being told they won’t amount to anything more than a criminal, and so the prophecy fulfills itself. There’s also the broken windows theory. Just putting people in prison doesn’t solve the actual issue.

A common Christian view.

To be honest the entire thing felt icky to me. I feel very sorry for her and her children, they've obviously been through a very traumatic experience and I think there's very clearly an agenda for his family to now be utilised for political agenda. It's impossible to know how on board his widow actually is with that given its very, very early days after a major loss and I guess there is a certain expectation on the spouse of any high profile figure to be supportive of their work even in legacy.

I think it's positive she speaks about forgiveness, but I think it's important to remember that forgiveness is an action and I'm not sure that forgiveness ties in with Conservative politics particularly gun usage and the death penalty among other issues. My understanding of forgiveness is that its a daily choice you make and perhaps she has committed to doing that. But I don't think it's as simple as saying it and it takes a lot of time for people to process. In my experience as a Christian sometimes there is a lot of talk about forgiveness but actually a lack of understanding of what it really entails so it can be lip service without people even realising. I think it would be naieve to think there hasn't been a heavy pr involvement in all of this I just hope that behind it all that family are getting proper, genuine care and support and can grieve as honestly as they need to.

Thank you, i agree. Shocking what people are writing on here.

Sure she does, which was exactly what that enormous political rally was all about. Forgiveness. There’s a reason they say speak louder than words.
I hope she can actually one day make peace with it and genuinely forgive because it will help her in her kids in the long run.

Ah well, that’s okay then. As long as lots of them are homophobic.

It's mind blowing.
I'm staying away from the rabbit hole, it's deep. Scary society.

I think it’s disgusting too, but just saying that not only are those views common, they’re protected!

Problem is, for those with extreme views, there is no compromise, is there? You either believe that there should be no abortion in any circumstances, like CK did, or you don't. No compromise that kept abortion as an option would have been acceptable to CK, and no complete ban would be acceptable to others. So the fight continues, with both sides accusing the other of 'close mindedness' on the issue in question.
With any binary issue (can humans change sex? Should we have the death penalty? Does life begin at conception?) there can be no position of compromise, so the two sides will fight on, both close minded, both determined to garner sufficient support for their argument that they sway the mainstream.
The problems occur when one or the other side seeks to advantage itself by using huge platforms, misinformation, manipulation, misuse of government power, or violence to force others to their position.

Enough with the condescension. I know you and your ilk believe your constant online campaign is winning. However, it’s online.

This is not an offline topic in mainstream Britain and if it is it’s people side eyeing the absolute weirdness. This noise is then reported on by journalists as though it’s a thing. It really isn’t as much as you are wishing so hard that it is.

These internet cultures wars are becoming so stupid that people are leaving platforms like X at speed and as a result it’s increasingly becoming a smaller group of chronically online people and bots yelling at each other. You’re driving people away.

I’ve even seen on here - a new poster comes on and says something inflammatory and within 5 minutes another 5 new posters come on to loudly agree with their buddy. It’s so transparent and as a result I’ve noticed I’m seeing fewer and fewer old school MN posters (I’ve been here 15 years but log in less now) who’ve clearly moved on as it’s tedious.

Dang... in this huge soap opera, that would be helluva twist.

I perceive that she is cycling thru the stages of grief too quickly, her cycle is shallow and she'll have to relive the cycles when they are initially too shallow. I know that repeat cycles of grief can be normal. It is shame that she has to deal with all this so much in public eye, I can feel for EK in that way.

Let's see what position EK takes in 6m or 12m etc.

I just heard the clip of her speaking. Ik a thread on here will go on the attack but I found it moving, and no need for more anger.

This thread is awful to read. Some people will apparantly call everything 'hate', even a hypothetical answer Kirk gave on his views on abortion.

They’re still his views, even if they’re based on a hypothetical.

By the late 90s, crime was down and cities were cleaned up. Three strikes laws worked, and (crucially) this was spearheaded by Democrats. Hillary was criticized for her ‘super predators’ remark but she should never have had to apologize for that.

Putting people in prison works.

I am left wondering if this hypothetical situation with his little girl would arise, is his answer would still be the same. People can change their mind if they actually experience something or if something resonates with them. It is being open minded. Maybe he would reconsider, maybe he wouldn't, we will never know.
Abortion isn't black and white, we have a compromise in the law in the UK and most western countries, including some of the US states. That compromise was achieved by people actually talking to each other and finding that elusive common ground.
It is the same for gun laws (stricter laws, no automatic weapons), for the death penalty (only extreme case) and for the gender ideology (recognition for gender separare from sex). Everybody happy, no. I disagree with the death penalty for example, but society is more than just me. I am sure as a society we can make it work if we would just actually listen to each other.

As for Kirk's widow, I am glad she is against the death penalty and I hope the judicial system listens to her wishes.

I think, though I disagreed with many of his views that he can be admired for sitting on a chair and inviting people to disagree with him in discussion.

Any feminist that stuck her head above the parapet to even try discussing womens rights in recent years (specifically in relation to trans people) has been shut right down, smeared and threatened. It really opened my eyes to actually how unusal it is for people to actively want a dialogue with people they disagree with. Theres so little curiosity, people don’t actually try to argue with a point they basically just use ad hominem attacks. This has now become the mainstream default way of debating. It’s fucking shoddy to my mind and says something about the lack of intellectual rigour in society. I’m nowhere near smart but I can see that yelling abuse or attacking people you disagree with isn’t winning an argument, it’s sheer cowardice.

me and my ilk? LOL.
You and your ilk are also feverishly posting on this thread, in case you’d missed it.

There is nothing “Christian” about hating someone because of their sexuality.

I don’t believe there is a god. Religion came about as a very useful tool to keep the masses under control.
If I am wrong and there is, I don’t believe it would espouse the awful views put forward by some of its representatives.

Why? That was his grift. He wouldn’t speak with anyone who had actually qualifications. He would only “debate” college kids, and even then, if they were smarter than him he’d attempt to smear them online.

But they are not hate. They are his views you disagree with. If we all label views we don't agree with as 'hate', all we are left with is hate

The whole point of his organization was youth outreach.

Tbh I was a little dismissive of Charlie because I assumed he was Iike Steven Crowder or Ben Shapiro, dunking on college students for the lolz. But he was actually way more genuine than that. Wish I had known :/

''SOAP OPERA'' is exactly right - don't understand the mentally of all this at all - the crowds at this event, the way this woman behaved so soon after the shocking event, etc......

Couldn't agree more.