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Is this racist

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Whoiam · 17/09/2025 18:57

I am seeing many posts about Charlie Kirk being racist. I also note that there are references to his stance on DEI.

I am interested, is this racist nowadays?

https://youtube.com/shorts/8HDYrISA1TY?si=m7vBABFnGn-6uqBy

YABU- yes
YANBU-no

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5128gap · 18/09/2025 09:42

AlasPoor · 18/09/2025 09:28

representative of the population rather than being disproportionately dominated by white men.

This is just a different way of saying we want less white people and more non white people in jobs, less men and more women in jobs and we want to introduce policies to achieve this. I’m agreeing with you, that this is the aim of these policies. I’m just disagreeing that discriminating based on race and sex is in anyway a good idea.

OK. But can we agree we want the best possible people in jobs? And that that principle should be at the root of our approach?
If so, can I ask you if you think simply leaving everything alone will result in this? That regardless of any advantage people start off with, it will all somehow come right in the end and the best people will end up in the best jobs?
Or, can you allow for the fact that having a head start can result in a person winning a race, even if they are not the fastest runner?

Eskarina1 · 18/09/2025 09:46

Gladysknightgottogetaholdofmyself · 17/09/2025 20:17

Seems to be a few of these threads popping up and the op disappearing.

I'm pretty sure it's bots. There was a post the other day where Charlie Kirk was described as a "good Christian family man, just standing up for his values". I grew up in a Christian family in a very traditional town, where everyone knew the vicar etc. The only time I've ever heard someone described as a "good Christian family man" is when it's preceeded by the words "I thought he was" and used to describe a serial killer/family killer.

AlasPoor · 18/09/2025 10:00

5128gap · 18/09/2025 09:42

OK. But can we agree we want the best possible people in jobs? And that that principle should be at the root of our approach?
If so, can I ask you if you think simply leaving everything alone will result in this? That regardless of any advantage people start off with, it will all somehow come right in the end and the best people will end up in the best jobs?
Or, can you allow for the fact that having a head start can result in a person winning a race, even if they are not the fastest runner?

Yes we can agree on the best people for the job.

No we’re not going to agree on discrimination based on sex and race to suit your preference.

Eskarina1 · 18/09/2025 10:04

5128gap · 18/09/2025 09:42

OK. But can we agree we want the best possible people in jobs? And that that principle should be at the root of our approach?
If so, can I ask you if you think simply leaving everything alone will result in this? That regardless of any advantage people start off with, it will all somehow come right in the end and the best people will end up in the best jobs?
Or, can you allow for the fact that having a head start can result in a person winning a race, even if they are not the fastest runner?

EDI in practice is widening the pool of applicants - so I don't just share to my network because my network are like me. It's making sure panels are diverse so everyone feels comfortable and you avoid the "halo" like me effect. It's considering whether a job really needs straight As at A level or whether skills can be measured in other ways. It's considering how you help people best present themselves in interviews. It's adapting to research that shows white men will apply for jobs where they meet less of the person spec - so you are clear up front about what is essential and you stick to that.

It's about removing barriers to give yourself the best possible pool of candidates. The reality is that will mean less white men in senior posts, not because we want to disadvantage them but because they don't have a monopoly on talent.

If you continue the running analogy, if you imagine 100 uk people with running talent. Some are given coaching, the best shoes, access to training grounds etc. The top 10 will reflect both talent and access to resources. If resources are spread equally then the top 10 is going to look different. It's very sad for the person who was 9th but is now 25th. However, overall running times have increased and we're winning more events as a country. If 60% of FTSE 100 execs are white men but talent is distributed equally, we are holding ourselves back.

5128gap · 18/09/2025 10:06

AlasPoor · 18/09/2025 10:00

Yes we can agree on the best people for the job.

No we’re not going to agree on discrimination based on sex and race to suit your preference.

OK. If you want to hold on to your sound bites and not think about and discuss things at a deeper level, so you can actually answer the question ive asked you, that's your perogative.

5128gap · 18/09/2025 10:08

Eskarina1 · 18/09/2025 10:04

EDI in practice is widening the pool of applicants - so I don't just share to my network because my network are like me. It's making sure panels are diverse so everyone feels comfortable and you avoid the "halo" like me effect. It's considering whether a job really needs straight As at A level or whether skills can be measured in other ways. It's considering how you help people best present themselves in interviews. It's adapting to research that shows white men will apply for jobs where they meet less of the person spec - so you are clear up front about what is essential and you stick to that.

It's about removing barriers to give yourself the best possible pool of candidates. The reality is that will mean less white men in senior posts, not because we want to disadvantage them but because they don't have a monopoly on talent.

If you continue the running analogy, if you imagine 100 uk people with running talent. Some are given coaching, the best shoes, access to training grounds etc. The top 10 will reflect both talent and access to resources. If resources are spread equally then the top 10 is going to look different. It's very sad for the person who was 9th but is now 25th. However, overall running times have increased and we're winning more events as a country. If 60% of FTSE 100 execs are white men but talent is distributed equally, we are holding ourselves back.

Thank you. That's a much clearer explanation than mine.

AlasPoor · 18/09/2025 10:21

Eskarina1 · 18/09/2025 10:04

EDI in practice is widening the pool of applicants - so I don't just share to my network because my network are like me. It's making sure panels are diverse so everyone feels comfortable and you avoid the "halo" like me effect. It's considering whether a job really needs straight As at A level or whether skills can be measured in other ways. It's considering how you help people best present themselves in interviews. It's adapting to research that shows white men will apply for jobs where they meet less of the person spec - so you are clear up front about what is essential and you stick to that.

It's about removing barriers to give yourself the best possible pool of candidates. The reality is that will mean less white men in senior posts, not because we want to disadvantage them but because they don't have a monopoly on talent.

If you continue the running analogy, if you imagine 100 uk people with running talent. Some are given coaching, the best shoes, access to training grounds etc. The top 10 will reflect both talent and access to resources. If resources are spread equally then the top 10 is going to look different. It's very sad for the person who was 9th but is now 25th. However, overall running times have increased and we're winning more events as a country. If 60% of FTSE 100 execs are white men but talent is distributed equally, we are holding ourselves back.

coaching, the best shoes, access to training grounds

In this analogy, is it having white skin which gives you the best shoes? and how do we spread resources evenly on selecting a shortlist of 10 interviewees out of 1000 applicants for one position where DEI tells us we have too many white people?

AlasPoor · 18/09/2025 10:26

5128gap · 18/09/2025 10:06

OK. If you want to hold on to your sound bites and not think about and discuss things at a deeper level, so you can actually answer the question ive asked you, that's your perogative.

I have answered your questions. They’re all weak scenarios to attempt to justify discrimination based on race and sex. I’m not going to accept racism so if that’s what you’re trying to achieve then you’re wasting your time.

Mustbethat · 18/09/2025 10:33

Does he really think any airline was letting a black unqualified person pilot a plane just to fill quotas? If someone is flying your plane, they’re qualified, because they wouldn’t be there if they weren’t.

it’s not only racist it’s sexist. DEI offers opportunities to women, such as local upskilling programmes or refresher courses to get women back into the workplace after children. Of course CK wanted women barefoot and pregnant.

he actually referred to a female sales assistant as “a black moron”.

BoredZelda · 18/09/2025 10:36

MumoftwoNC · 17/09/2025 19:33

What is the relevance of this meme to race/racism? Is it supposed to imply that certain races are less able (shorter in this analogy) than others? Because I find that troubling.

I understand this meme as relating to disability but not race.

I can’t believe I am having to point this out. The boxes are a metaphor. Do you think all disabled people are short? After all, my daughter is disabled and she couldn’t stand on a box if her life depended on it, but it applies to her situation.

Here’s another one that might help you understand. Some people have barriers that others don’t. This was explained very well by Jan Fran, anyone not understanding why meritocracy isn’t what some people think it is, should find this helps explain it in a very simple way. https://www.facebook.com/thefeedsbs/videos/2278675919049807/?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V&fs=e

Is this racist
5128gap · 18/09/2025 10:39

AlasPoor · 18/09/2025 10:26

I have answered your questions. They’re all weak scenarios to attempt to justify discrimination based on race and sex. I’m not going to accept racism so if that’s what you’re trying to achieve then you’re wasting your time.

I'm wasting my time because I hoped to learn something to help me understand your position, and you are clearly not equipped to offer that. I'm more than happy to disagree with others, but the point of debate for me is to enhance my understanding of other POV. And no that hasnt been achieved here. But I appreciate your engaging.

AlasPoor · 18/09/2025 10:43

BoredZelda · 18/09/2025 10:36

I can’t believe I am having to point this out. The boxes are a metaphor. Do you think all disabled people are short? After all, my daughter is disabled and she couldn’t stand on a box if her life depended on it, but it applies to her situation.

Here’s another one that might help you understand. Some people have barriers that others don’t. This was explained very well by Jan Fran, anyone not understanding why meritocracy isn’t what some people think it is, should find this helps explain it in a very simple way. https://www.facebook.com/thefeedsbs/videos/2278675919049807/?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V&fs=e

I think the reason you have to keep pointing out is because it doesn’t make sense.
It’s gone from classifying non white people as disabled to implying only women do childcare and chores in the latest image? There must be a point at which you say to yourself hang on does this actually make sense or am I just prejudiced.

BoredZelda · 18/09/2025 10:44

AlasPoor · 18/09/2025 09:28

representative of the population rather than being disproportionately dominated by white men.

This is just a different way of saying we want less white people and more non white people in jobs, less men and more women in jobs and we want to introduce policies to achieve this. I’m agreeing with you, that this is the aim of these policies. I’m just disagreeing that discriminating based on race and sex is in anyway a good idea.

Do you honestly believe white men are inherently more meritorious than any minority, or than women? Because when you look at the make up of pretty much any government or organisation, that would appear to be the case if we want to believe we live in a meritocracy. Do you believe that it isn’t easier for a white man to fail upwards than it is for women or minority groups? Trump has been disastrous for the US economy and has just passed legislation which will damage it further, according to independent economic reports from across the world. He’s been allowed to remain in place for years, and was voted in again. Truss did the same and was ousted within days of implementing her policies.

DEI isn’t about promoting people who are not capable, it’s about helping to remove the barriers that prevent them from reaching the same level as white men.

https://www.facebook.com/thefeedsbs/videos/2278675919049807/?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V&fs=e

564K views · 1.9K reactions | Newly-elected Premier Gladys Berejiklian has said she’s proud of a state where a woman with a long surname can be the premier of NSW. If it was the rule rather than the exception she wouldn't have to spell it out. 🤔 Jan...

Newly-elected Premier Gladys Berejiklian has said she’s proud of a state where a woman with a long surname can be the premier of NSW. If it was the rule rather than the exception she wouldn't have to...

https://www.facebook.com/thefeedsbs/videos/2278675919049807/?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V&fs=e

AlasPoor · 18/09/2025 10:45

5128gap · 18/09/2025 10:39

I'm wasting my time because I hoped to learn something to help me understand your position, and you are clearly not equipped to offer that. I'm more than happy to disagree with others, but the point of debate for me is to enhance my understanding of other POV. And no that hasnt been achieved here. But I appreciate your engaging.

My POV is quite clear and should be easy to understand. DEI is discriminatory by design and leads to negative outcomes.

BoredZelda · 18/09/2025 10:48

AlasPoor · 18/09/2025 10:43

I think the reason you have to keep pointing out is because it doesn’t make sense.
It’s gone from classifying non white people as disabled to implying only women do childcare and chores in the latest image? There must be a point at which you say to yourself hang on does this actually make sense or am I just prejudiced.

It absolutely makes sense to anyone who has an ounce of critical thinking. Did you watch the video I’ve posted alongside it? It was pretty clear.

Every single study that has ever been done anywhere shows that working women do far more of the childcare and chores than working men. Are you seriously trying to argue that isn’t the case? You might want to consider why when it comes to the gender pay gap, women only really start to be affected by it when they reach the age they are having children, and yet men’s careers aren’t affected by that at all.

In order to suggest we live in a meritocracy, you have to actually acknowledge what is happening. Ignoring it and pretending it doesn’t happen just weakens your position.

BoredZelda · 18/09/2025 10:49

AlasPoor · 18/09/2025 10:45

My POV is quite clear and should be easy to understand. DEI is discriminatory by design and leads to negative outcomes.

Show me where it leads to negative outcomes?

AlasPoor · 18/09/2025 10:50

BoredZelda · 18/09/2025 10:44

Do you honestly believe white men are inherently more meritorious than any minority, or than women? Because when you look at the make up of pretty much any government or organisation, that would appear to be the case if we want to believe we live in a meritocracy. Do you believe that it isn’t easier for a white man to fail upwards than it is for women or minority groups? Trump has been disastrous for the US economy and has just passed legislation which will damage it further, according to independent economic reports from across the world. He’s been allowed to remain in place for years, and was voted in again. Truss did the same and was ousted within days of implementing her policies.

DEI isn’t about promoting people who are not capable, it’s about helping to remove the barriers that prevent them from reaching the same level as white men.

https://www.facebook.com/thefeedsbs/videos/2278675919049807/?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V&fs=e

DEI isn’t about promoting people who are not capable, it’s about helping to remove the barriers that prevent them from reaching the same level as white men.

No it’s about discriminating against people based on certain characteristics such as sex or race, or placing barriers if you’d prefer. It’s based on communist equality of outcome theories which have never worked out.

AlasPoor · 18/09/2025 10:54

BoredZelda · 18/09/2025 10:49

Show me where it leads to negative outcomes?

Show you where people being excluded from jobs has negative outcomes? That would be tricky.

5128gap · 18/09/2025 10:56

AlasPoor · 18/09/2025 10:45

My POV is quite clear and should be easy to understand. DEI is discriminatory by design and leads to negative outcomes.

My question to you actually was, do you think the alternative results in better outcomes? Ie, do you think a system that keeps resulting in white middle class men disproportionately holding the highest status and most powerful positions in our society is the best for us?

And do you believe that white middle class men are over represented because they are more likely to be inately superior to other applicants? Or do you allow there may be other factors at play?

And if the latter, how would you address these factors? And by that I don't mean repeating what you wouldn't do, but tell me what we might do instead.

Those are the questions I'm seeking answers to to enhance my understanding of the POV of others.

AlasPoor · 18/09/2025 10:58

BoredZelda · 18/09/2025 10:48

It absolutely makes sense to anyone who has an ounce of critical thinking. Did you watch the video I’ve posted alongside it? It was pretty clear.

Every single study that has ever been done anywhere shows that working women do far more of the childcare and chores than working men. Are you seriously trying to argue that isn’t the case? You might want to consider why when it comes to the gender pay gap, women only really start to be affected by it when they reach the age they are having children, and yet men’s careers aren’t affected by that at all.

In order to suggest we live in a meritocracy, you have to actually acknowledge what is happening. Ignoring it and pretending it doesn’t happen just weakens your position.

Nope. This is just your prejudices clouding your judgement, discriminatory policies based on immutable characteristics such as race and sex is immoral, not practical, divisive, harmful and deep down you know it. We all know it.

BoredZelda · 18/09/2025 11:01

AlasPoor · 18/09/2025 10:50

DEI isn’t about promoting people who are not capable, it’s about helping to remove the barriers that prevent them from reaching the same level as white men.

No it’s about discriminating against people based on certain characteristics such as sex or race, or placing barriers if you’d prefer. It’s based on communist equality of outcome theories which have never worked out.

You have just suggested that when faced with a more diverse range of applicants, white men are more likely not to get a job. Isn’t that rather a self own?

DEI does not (and cannot legally) exclude anyone from being considered for a position. Outside of some very specific exclusions in the law, you can’t specify the race or gender for a position. The only barrier put in front of white men being considered alongside diverse candidates is whether he is the most qualified for the job. But don’t worry, studies show that even where the pool is more diverse, because it is largely white men doing the hiring, bias (unconscious or otherwise) still means they are more likely to be hired.

I have no problem with anyone who really disagrees with DEI. That’s a position to take, it’s an opinion I disagree with but everyone can have it. But what I see most often is people, like you, who don’t actually understand what it is, how it works, and why it is deemed necessary. That appears (to me) to be quite a racist/sexist take on it as it looks like people are only against it because it benefits minorities and women.

AlasPoor · 18/09/2025 11:05

5128gap · 18/09/2025 10:56

My question to you actually was, do you think the alternative results in better outcomes? Ie, do you think a system that keeps resulting in white middle class men disproportionately holding the highest status and most powerful positions in our society is the best for us?

And do you believe that white middle class men are over represented because they are more likely to be inately superior to other applicants? Or do you allow there may be other factors at play?

And if the latter, how would you address these factors? And by that I don't mean repeating what you wouldn't do, but tell me what we might do instead.

Those are the questions I'm seeking answers to to enhance my understanding of the POV of others.

Yes I’d say having laws against discrimination is satisfactory.
Attempts at social engineering based on identity politics is ridiculous. Perhaps instead of looking for ways to discriminate against middle class white people, we should look at what they’re doing right? I know it’s not the left wing way, but perhaps crabs in a bucket mentality doesn’t really work?

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5128gap · 18/09/2025 11:11

AlasPoor · 18/09/2025 11:05

Yes I’d say having laws against discrimination is satisfactory.
Attempts at social engineering based on identity politics is ridiculous. Perhaps instead of looking for ways to discriminate against middle class white people, we should look at what they’re doing right? I know it’s not the left wing way, but perhaps crabs in a bucket mentality doesn’t really work?

And again you fail to provide straight answers to a serise of straight questions and instead resort to silly clichés insulting people who's politics are different from yours. I couldn't care less about labels of left and right. I'm seeking views on a specific set of questions I asked. If you're unable to answer, just say so and I'll bid you good day.

BoredZelda · 18/09/2025 11:13

AlasPoor · 18/09/2025 11:05

Yes I’d say having laws against discrimination is satisfactory.
Attempts at social engineering based on identity politics is ridiculous. Perhaps instead of looking for ways to discriminate against middle class white people, we should look at what they’re doing right? I know it’s not the left wing way, but perhaps crabs in a bucket mentality doesn’t really work?

Oh this is brilliant. You seem to be getting it. DEI is exactly that. People have looked at what white middle class men are “doing right,” (actually it is more about what they aren’t doing) that helps them get where they are. Then they are levelling the playing field so that everyone has the same opportunities as white middle class men. And, when they do, they are able to compete with them for the same positions, on the same basis. But, as is to be expected, they are actually sometimes winning, which means they are getting to where white middle class men are. But, you don’t seem to like that he might lose out sometimes. Why is that?