Is this racist

[Whoiam]

I am seeing many posts about Charlie Kirk being racist. I also note that there are references to his stance on DEI.

I am interested, is this racist nowadays?

https://youtube.com/shorts/8HDYrISA1TY?si=m7vBABFnGn-6uqBy

YABU- yes
YANBU-no

I cannot believe that absolute thicko had the audacity to talk like that about MICHELLE OBAMA.

Yes, he was racist. And really not very bright.

Well tell that to the RAF because that’s exactly what they did.

From the BBC report:

Initiatives to increase the numbers of women and people from ethnic minorities in the RAF led to unlawful positive discrimination, an inquiry has found.
The head of the RAF has admitted some men were discriminated against.
The internal inquiry was sparked by the resignation of a female RAF Group Captain who told her superiors the policy penalised white men.
The inquiry found she had faced significant and unreasonable pressure to meet diversity targets.
…
These targets were set by the last Chief of the Air Staff, Sir Mike Wigston, to increase the proportion of women and people from ethnic minorities in the RAF.
But the unnamed senior female RAF recruitment officer told her superiors that fast tracking women and ethnic minorities was contrary to the equality act and discriminated against white men.
The inquiry, conducted by the Ministry of Defence, found the pressure to meet those targets led to unlawful, positive discrimination.
However the RAF had argued its policies amounted to positive action, not discrimination, and were not unlawful.
The new head of the RAF, Sir Richard Knighton, has now admitted that some men were discriminated against, and apologised.
They include a group of 31 who were held back in training, who have now been compensated.
The RAF has also admitted its target for 40% of the force to be female and 20% from an ethnic minority background by 2030 is unrealistic.

I don’t need to tell them do I? They’ve been found “guilty” of discrimination by an inquiry already. I think they know.

I find this all a bit outdated now.

Drive change and address barriers? Just remove the fence.

’It’s not restricting opportunities. It’s opening them up. And frankly, if you think otherwise then you’re either ignorant, a bigot, of both.’

It’s obviously restricting opportunities to groups not favoured by DEI. The reason you lash out with personal insults and the old bigot, ‘ist’ stuff is because your world view doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny. It really doesn’t wash anymore.

How are you defining different background please?

It’s not a personal insult. It’s what you are because you’re not willing to see past the end of your nose. I have zero interest in arguing with idiots though so I won’t respond further.

Access to preferential training and employment. Are you claiming they don’t get anything now?

Your argument gets stranger with every post.

I am not going to define that for you. There are a multitude of different backgrounds that can influence someone’s trajectory in life, positively or negatively. I suggest you look into it if it’s something you’re interested in. If you just want to argue with someone, I’m not your person as I’m so tired of people wilfully misunderstanding DE&I.

You perhaps need to look at the definitions of personal insult and bigot.

That video isn't racist

Except that that doesn't follow through in employment.

I live in a borough of which 45% of residents are of an ethnic minority group.

Of the workforce of 3,000, 44% identify as White.
The workforce is also 69% female.

The Directorate is made up of 81% white male.

How likely is it that this 81% is actually more qualified to be in those positions than the rest of the workforce? Especially when research undertaken by the council has shown that there are more educated and qualified (work experience wise) employees sitting under this leadership structure.
And said leadership team has driven the council into bankruptcy through sloppy (largely dubious) practices.

It's now advised that if you wish to get ahead in your career as a woman or person of ethnic minority, the most sensible thing to do is to apply for 'promotion' in more women / ethnic minority friendly councils.

She literally referred to herself as an affirmative hire into college.

• In a "Diary of a CEO" interview, she described herself as being "an affirmative-action student at Princeton," referring to her admission under affirmative action policies.

I think what you’re really tired of is people perfectly understanding DEI.

I guess it depends on your definition of preferential treatment?

Is it equity that my ds has a wheelchair provided by the nhs, a BB and mobility car adapted, a space reserved in a convenient spot at his office and a lift key to get to different floors when everyone else has to park if and where they can and walk to wherever they need to be? Also flex to WFH when his muscles spasms are bad.

or is he being given preferential treatment?

Whatwver you call it he wouldn’t have been able to access the same work experience at the place he now works permanent during his training to be a software developer.

he wasn’t the one given the job because he’s disabled - he was given the job because he was the best coder on the course and that was discovered because he was given the opportunity to turn up with everyone else.

equality initiatives are (and should be) about removing barriers to give everyone in an equal playing field to achieve an outcome.

100 percent agree with this! I’m also a woman of colour and I just want less hyper fixation on race. The late Charlie Kirk supported this also. If you look at who is in his organisation turning point USA, it is very diverse. He’s not a bigot and has been misquoted.

The people aren't meant to represent races. They're meant to show that different people need different things to achieve the same outcome depending on circumstances. So treating everyone the same doesn't work, you need to taylor approach to circumstances. The different heights represent different circumstances.

its Been explained a few times that positive discrimination is illegal. So they don’t get preferential employment.

so what’s training, if it doesn’t lead directly to employment? Preferential treatment… how?

also strange that it’s only you, who doesn’t seem to be able to understand a lot, who finds my posts strange.

I’m so glad to read this on here!

Preferential access to training and employment opportunities . It’s a simple straight forward answer.

There is no preferential access to employment opportunities. That would be illegal

Why can’t you find an equally experienced highly qualified person of colour to do the job? Is it because they’re all uneducated oiks? That must be what you mean.

The issue comes with things like quotas, often used in DEI schemes. If the, often arbitrary, quota set doesn’t exactly match the availability of suitability qualified candidates that both match the quota requirements AND actually want to apply for the job, then something has to give. That could well be experience or qualifications.

There can limited availability of candidates that match particular race requirements as they are a minority after all.

If every major organisation has set themselves a quota like the RAF did, they are going to run out of minorities and struggle to fill the jobs.

Multiple areas

• Women’s reproductive rights and access to contraception and termination have been restricted in over half of States.
• Diversity offices and programs defunded and closed at the federal level
• Civil rights lawsuits being slow rolled/obstructed
• Voter suppression tactics being used by various States that disproportionately prevent minority, disadvantaged demographics from casting their votes in public elections
• ICE being misused as nationalist private police force that is resulting in US citizens and legal US residents being detained and illegally deported simply because they look or sound “foreign”- left unchecked this could verge on fascist ethnic cleansing of the States.
• Resurgence of far right groups that actively espouse stripping rights from disadvantaged demographics with some key activists now holding high public offices. Example, the Secretary of DoD, Hegseth, believes women should not be allowed to vote, they should submit to their husbands, they should never serve in the military or hold any elected or appointed public office or senior civil service position.

thats off the top of my head.

Do you imagine that quotas are unique to the RAF or are there other organisations that have similar schemes? In my observations, once a group of people in charge are convinced of their ‘righteousness’ in taking certain actions, a court case is going to be no deterrent.

Just look at the ongoing refusal of the Scottish government and various U.K. political parties to adopt lawful policies in response to the recent Supreme Court judgement on who can count as a woman.

Then they would simply recruit people from outside the target group in that recruitment round, explain the reasons to their superiors who had set the policy, and review practise in the next recruitment round to make the opportunity more attractive to the target group, through better promotion, community engagement and so on.
No fuss or drama, recruitment of unsuitable people, or breech of the EA required, if those running the schemes operated them properly, rather than as appears to be the case with the RAF, took short cuts.
The RAF situation was a clear case of an excellent concept poorly executed, as instead of levelling the playing field before the (fair) game began, they took the lazy (and illegal in the UK) option of simply cherry picking candidates from the target groups. No one who understands equalities and the law should do this, and if they did they act unlawfully.
We don't dispense with an entire program simply because some people don't understand it or dont execute it correctly. We educate and continue.