Why is the public directing their anger at the individual asylum seeker that arrives at the shore…

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… rather than the smuggling / trafficking gangs that are responsible for the journey?

I think it’s very extreme to put all of the blame and the anger at the individual that arrives, rather than the people responsible for orchestrating the whole process. These individuals are often ‘sold the dream’ and hooked in by organised crime groups who direct them to the UK. I’ve looked at sample routes from different parts of the world (screenshots may be pending) and these are complex and would need local people, as well as law enforcement, customs officers and other government officials to turn a blind eye involved in smuggling across multiple borders.

It’s no secret that these crossings likely cost a lot of money, and I think it would be safe to assume that refugees would often be in crippling debt to the OCGs who will put pressure on them to pay it back, by threatening them and their families and I would go as far as to say they could then be coerced in to further committing crimes when granted asylum in order to pay back their debt.

These OCGs are likely involved in other trafficking / crime, not just of asylum seekers but likely drugs, weapons and sex as they have the connections across those borders.

I think it’s very unlikely that an asylum seeker is sitting there looking at all the European government websites and shopping for a country with the best benefits package and approaching a trafficker with a brochure like they’re picking a Jet2 holiday. But this is the narrative that’s often put us and fuelled in the media.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have a better system and want to control our borders better on a whole, but this sheer anger and blame placed at the human in front of us seems very misplaced, when they were likely manipulated in to thinking they can have a better life in this particular country and not another, and the problem is way way bigger than an individual.

Not refugees. They can’t because they’ll lose their refugee status.

Because no one is saying open all Borders. No one is saying just allow anyone in with no process or procedure. It’s impossible to
give a concrete figure on how many because that depends on lots of factors. All people are saying is that those who DO come and are here seeking asylum should be allowed to
do so peacefully and without threat from morons. IF they meet the criteria to stay, they should stay, if they don’t they should go. Simple.

It’s not that simple at all.

I can’t decide if you are being willfully obruse, or just are this naive and clueless.

200 and change extrajudicial killings, 20 odd enforced disappearances.
500 government officials killed in 2022, 144 human rights violations of torture. 400 arbitrary arrest and detentions.

and that’s just what we know about. The Taliban are extremists, plenty of Muslims in Afghanistan are much more liberal minded and anyone who openly criticises the government or may be gay or any thing else not deemed appropriate puts you at huge risk. One woman I spoke to, her sisters face was pretty much burned off with acid because she laughed with a man in the street. Others have had brothers and husbands and friends disappear in rhe middle of the night, people forget that the Taliban mostly kill
oyher Muslims.

So what you’re saying is you’re a massive hypocrite and morally confused you think
you should be allowed the advantages of living here, but others shouldn’t. Just the audacity tbh.

I’m not boasting about anything, I’m recognising the huge amounts of privilege my ability to be academically successful affords me, particularly when set against my disability. Because if didn’t have this career, chances are I’d be on benefits and unable to any other job really. I’m very aware that I am
luxky, and I try in as many ways as I can to pay that luck forward by using it to help others.
but I’m not a economist or in any way qualified to answer those questions. That’s not ky
job to work out. If it were something I could do, I’d be in the cabinet or an advisor.
I also don’t know how to fly a plane, how to do the splits, I can’t sing and I'd be a shit teacher , but I still have opinions on holidays and gymnastics and music and my kids education. 🤷🏼‍♀️

here’s a question for you, if you don’t want asylum seekers or immigrants here and think we should be allowed to turn them all away. And so every country does the same. Not lir
problem, right? How would you sleep at night hearing the deaths of innocent people coming out of those countries knowing you
supported just not allowing them to get help?

Most of the ways in which the royals generate tourism money could be done without them there. Opening up castles and stately homes etc could be done if they all disappeared off the face of the earth tomorrow. Buck house and Windsor castle alone have about 1700 rooms. 52 odd bedrooms for the rf and guests, a couple of hundred for staff. It’s not an extra bedroom or two. It’s room to house hundreds and hundreds of people. And that’s without balmoral and sandringham etc.
If we have such a huge crisis of housing and finances then we should look first to those with the most to spare, not the least.

My parents and I are immigrants.

My grandparents were asylum seekers.

The reason we have these labels is because various governments have moved my family around. Due mainly to politics. They sent us back after we provided service. To an unstable country. Then moved us elsewhere as we could be useful.

My great grandparents were among the first to hold UK passports. Both great grandfathers fought for Britain in the first world war. I now have their passports. Ration books. Land registry documents of houses long since requestioned.

But according to some I am not good enough to live here.

I am grateful to the racist wankers for prompting me to research intricately my family history. This all began for me when a racist twat hung a flag outside my house because I am different.
What this has done for me, is made me realise this is my home. This is my place. This is where I want to be. This is where I belong.

I want to care for refugees. I want to stand up for people seeking asylum. I want to share.

And if you don't like it, you can fuck off.

Not me, you.

This is MY country.

There are key phrases many men are told to say on arrival. One very common one is an affair with a woman of a higher class/caste and so the individual cannot return home as they would be killed. Thousands of applicants with that as a reason.

Not refugees. They can’t because they’ll lose their refugee status.

Hence tending to wait until they have permanent residence.

These refugees must be a different sort of refugee then 🙄
https://news.sky.com/story/afghans-relocated-to-uk-exaggerating-taliban-threat-ex-interpreter-says-13423813

Apparently for some, it is.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/21/gay-violent-nigerian-criminal-stay-uk-wife-son-deport-echr/

Or they realise that with the massive privilege of living in a democratic country which is safe and prosperous, comes responsibility to not only maintain that equilibrium, but to make a direct and positive contribution.

We recognise that thousands of white Christians travelling around the world and changing global majority countries was a really bad thing, yet when hundreds of thousands of people from a different culture move west and change white nations, we embrace the multiculturalism.

Many on MN are very disparaging of the enclaves of Brits who move to Spain and live in little England zones and eat fish and chips, but defend the immigrants who do this in Britain. Utter hypocrisy.

Many on MN are very disparaging of the enclaves of Brits who move to Spain and live in little England zones and eat fish and chips, but defend the immigrants who do this in Britain. Utter hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy and an utter red herring as its up to Spain what requirements they have of their immigrant population - feck all to do with the UK really.

I have a similar background to you.

The migrants coming now would likely not fight for Britain, especially in a war against an Islamic nation.

Many of them don’t speak and don’t intend or aren’t allowed to speak English.

Those are negative differences, and affect the way people feel towards immigrants. Sometimes we get tarred with the same brush, but perhaps the blame lies equally with those immigrants, as with those doing the tarring. Bringing more immigrants doesn’t make it better.

Or they realise that with the massive privilege of living in a democratic country which is safe and prosperous

How safe it is isn't a guarantee either. Look at what happened to Swedish crime stats in the last two decades!
Look at poor Salwan Momika, shot dead during a live stream and still no-one brought to justice.

Of course this is your Country, but it's also MY Country, and everyone else's Country whose lived here, integrated in society and respected British culture.

My Great grandfather's, Uncles and my brother have also fought for this Country, and I was born and bred here, but what relevance is that to this topic? It doesn't give me more rights than anyone else over this Country, and neither does it you.
Imo, if everything in my first sentence applies to people, then all should be welcome here.
As you know, there's now a situation where we are being expected to accommodate and pay for illegal immigrants to come here, and I've said it so many times, we can't afford to look after these people. The County is in huge debt and we are a tiny Island compared to other safe Countries the people turning up on boats could go to.

Our pensioners and homeless are being neglected, yet we are paying literally millions to people who have no identification (how do you know what they're fleeing from? Are they really fleeing?) and who people fear don't intend to integrate with us. They also haven't contributed to society obviously.

It's as simple as that, and people don't want it to continue. And because people are encouraged to unite together and speak out, we're being classed as 'far right racists', it's unbelievable and disgusting.
People don't suddenly become racists overnight you know, just because they've spoken out and put some flags up.

If the supposed far right were racist, then how has everyone lived harmoniously together for years?
According to some, the flying of flags is a message of racism against non white British born people, but that isn't true at all. It's a message that people who don't want to see British culture completely eradicated are trying to send to the Government to listen to them and do something about the constant influx of people (coming here illegally) who don't value our culture. It's got nothing to do with racism.

I can understand that yes I as an individual I benefited. But I can also understand that UK society has a whole has been negatively impacted due to mass immigration.

It's self hate honestly.

here’s a question for you, if you don’t want asylum seekers or immigrants here and think we should be allowed to turn them all away.

@OwlBeThere According to Google at the moment there are 56 active armed conflicts globally. I am sorry for anyone whose country is experiencing conflict and its consequences but I do not think the UK can accept every person that is affected by these wars.

OwlBeThere
I have had refugees stay in my house. I think at last count it was 12. I don’t have much room, but I turned my dining room into my bedroom. They have always been pretty good house guests.

Out of interest, which organisation was this arranged through? Were you paid to host or receive an allowance? How long did the placements last? Were they mixed sex placements or females only?

Hmmm. That would be a fairly small number. Nowhere near enough to satisfy the likes of Y-L and his hounds.

Those are the categories they’ll begin with, certainly.
Look at what’s happening in the US.

That isn’t an answer.

The Welsh refugee council, the length of stay has varied, the longest stayed 18 months mostly because of Covid. I’ve had men and women and a couple of times children with their mothers. Payment varies, if it’s Ukrainian refugees the Senedd pays £500 a month, if you host outwith that scheme charities sometimes fund a payment to cover costs usually about £30 a week. I’ve mostly done the second kind, though I did have a Ukrainian lady once for a few months.

😂 self hate.
it’s just as hypocritical to say that you’re fine being an immigrant, you’re fine with British people lining the Costa del Sol, but some other immigrants coming here is the downfall of the west.