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DS accused of a homophobic hate crime

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Daalden · 16/09/2025 20:28

Sorry this is going to be long and all over the place because I can’t think straight and every time I think I’ve got the full story something else comes up.

My DS is 16 and last week there was a fight after college, in town by the bus stops. DS and another boy from his rugby team who is also at his college, they’re on the same course, sometimes in the same classes, anyway it all kicked off. Now it’s all blown up way bigger than I ever thought it would.

The boy and his mum are saying DS and a group of mates jumped him, shoved him to the ground, kicked him and DS was shouting homophobic slurs at him. Words I don’t even want to type but you can imagine. DS is adamant that is not what happened. He says it was just him and the boy, no gang, they’ve had beef for ages, the boy shoved him first, DS lashed out and it was punches both ways and they both walked off. DS swears blind he never said anything homophobic, says he just shouted random angry stuff like “shut up” and “don’t push me” but not slurs.

Now it’s gone to rugby and they’ve basically said DS is out. He’s played since he was 7, it’s his whole life, he’s devastated. College are saying safeguarding meetings, governors, they’re using words like hate crime, assault, police referral. Someone told me even if it doesn’t go to court it can stay on record as a hate incident and show up later on DBS checks which has absolutely floored me because he wanted to do coaching and now that’s in jeopardy. I worry he could actually be arrested. We’ve not had police at the house but I’ve had one missed call from a number I didn’t recognise and now I’m panicking it was them.

The worst bit is this is not new. DS and this lad have been clashing for months if not years. There was that incident in training when they nearly came to blows, coaches had to pull them apart. DS’s boots went missing in the changing rooms once and he always swore it was this lad. They’ve been sniping on Snapchat, calling each other names, DS says he was constantly winding him up calling him thick and useless. So this didn’t come out of nowhere.

I even went into college last week to ask if DS could be moved out of classes with him because I thought at least that would separate them. But today I got home from work and nearly screamed because the SAME lad was sat in my kitchen with DS like they were best mates again. So if he’s so scared and traumatised like his mum is saying then why is he laughing on my sofa with DS? DS says it’s “all sorted now” and that they’ve made up. But how can it be sorted if rugby are still kicking him off and college are threatening governors meetings and safeguarding?

I’m so confused. On one hand DS is no angel, he’s got a temper, he’s been in detentions for backchat and being lippy but he’s never been violent before, never been in trouble with the law. On the other hand I don’t believe he’s homophobic. He’s got gay friends, he doesn’t care, he keeps saying “mum it’s personal between me and him not that.”

But now I feel like people have already decided he’s guilty. The boy’s mum is telling everyone he’s dangerous, rugby don’t want him, college are treating him like a safeguarding risk. I keep coming back to the fact the boy clearly isn’t scared of DS if he’s sat in my kitchen today.

AIBU to think this has been blown totally out of proportion, that it was just teenage lads fighting and it should’ve been dealt with as such? Or do I need to accept he’s properly messed his life up and this could follow him forever?

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JNicholson · 16/09/2025 20:35

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EveryKneeShallBow · 16/09/2025 20:38

It very much sounds to me like your DS is working through some issues with his own sexuality, as may be the other boy. I’d let them sort it out between themselves.

MasterPlaster · 16/09/2025 20:41

I would consult a solicitor given the potential impacts and ongoing situation.

Simonjt · 16/09/2025 20:42

Regarding the rugby, all teams I have played for have had a very strict zero tolerance police where assault is concerned, which is exactly what a fight is. Anyone hitting someone is both dangerous and a safeguarding risk. I would be furious it was either of mine.

JNicholson · 16/09/2025 20:43

Is the other boy out as gay? It’s not clear from your post.

PencilsInSpace · 16/09/2025 20:44

If they're friends again can the other lad tell college and rugby that there was no homophobic slur? (assuming your DS is telling the truth)

AbzMoz · 16/09/2025 20:47

Either it’s personal between the DS and the other boy, or it’s not. The fact the other boys mother has involved police, school and rugby suggests quite clearly it is not.

On the one hand your son is possibly making things better by being cordial / friendly. On the other if there’s no witnesses and they have another tussle your boy’s card has already been marked. It’s for his own safety he doesn’t have the lad round or only interacts in front of other adults at school til this is all sorted.

The lad needs to make a statement to the school, rugby etc that his mother has got the wrong end of the stick and he holds no ill will (if indeed that’s the case). If next doors lad is anything to go by it’s sadly common chat to ‘jokingly’ use homophobic slurs even if there is no specifically malicious intent.

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 16/09/2025 20:51

Even the most angelic of 16 year olds don’t just say “Stop it” and “Don’t push me” when fighting. Not saying he was homophobic, but I don’t believe for a second he wasn’t swearing or insulting him.

It all sounds very toxic. My DD is only 12 but I nearly lost my hair over a friends-then-enemies-then-friends thing she had with a really nasty girl last year, I know how frustrating it is when they flip flop.

I wouldn’t worry about police. It’s a shame about rugby but can be play elsewhere? Ask for their policy on removing team members!

The good news is he’s started college and that will inevitably mean new friends and a new gang before long. I think you need to not be doing things like going into college for him. He’s not in primary school and this stops him learning how to conflict resolve himself.

Have you googled the number that called you?

Daalden · 16/09/2025 20:52

They’ve actually known each other since they were about 10, through rugby first and then college. It’s always been this on-off thing where they fall out, won’t speak, then suddenly they’re mates again like nothing happened. But it’s never ever gone this far before, never anything like being accused of a hate crime. That’s what’s completely floored me.

Yes, the boy is gay. DS has known that for ages and honestly hasn’t cared, it’s never been an issue between them before. DS keeps saying it’s personal between the two of them, not about that.

I don’t know about the sexuality theory, maybe, but DS has never said anything to me that would suggest it. He just seems devastated that he’s lost rugby. He actually said tonight he doesn’t even care about college anymore now he’s been kicked off the team because that was everything to him.

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JNicholson · 16/09/2025 20:52

AbzMoz · 16/09/2025 20:47

Either it’s personal between the DS and the other boy, or it’s not. The fact the other boys mother has involved police, school and rugby suggests quite clearly it is not.

On the one hand your son is possibly making things better by being cordial / friendly. On the other if there’s no witnesses and they have another tussle your boy’s card has already been marked. It’s for his own safety he doesn’t have the lad round or only interacts in front of other adults at school til this is all sorted.

The lad needs to make a statement to the school, rugby etc that his mother has got the wrong end of the stick and he holds no ill will (if indeed that’s the case). If next doors lad is anything to go by it’s sadly common chat to ‘jokingly’ use homophobic slurs even if there is no specifically malicious intent.

If next doors lad is anything to go by it’s sadly common chat to ‘jokingly’ use homophobic slurs even if there is no specifically malicious intent.

Still, in 2025? That’s depressing. And also boring.

AbzMoz · 16/09/2025 20:57

JNicholson · 16/09/2025 20:52

If next doors lad is anything to go by it’s sadly common chat to ‘jokingly’ use homophobic slurs even if there is no specifically malicious intent.

Still, in 2025? That’s depressing. And also boring.

Yes. He’s a bit vocal when playing his video games with a headset on.. we have been taken aback more than once when the windows have been left open

JNicholson · 16/09/2025 20:59

Daalden · 16/09/2025 20:52

They’ve actually known each other since they were about 10, through rugby first and then college. It’s always been this on-off thing where they fall out, won’t speak, then suddenly they’re mates again like nothing happened. But it’s never ever gone this far before, never anything like being accused of a hate crime. That’s what’s completely floored me.

Yes, the boy is gay. DS has known that for ages and honestly hasn’t cared, it’s never been an issue between them before. DS keeps saying it’s personal between the two of them, not about that.

I don’t know about the sexuality theory, maybe, but DS has never said anything to me that would suggest it. He just seems devastated that he’s lost rugby. He actually said tonight he doesn’t even care about college anymore now he’s been kicked off the team because that was everything to him.

Well I don’t know what happened between them, but this sort of reminds me of when the actor Isaiah Washington from Gray’s Anatomy, who had played gay parts before and written thoughtfully about homophobia, called his gay co-worker T R Knight a homophobic slur during a fight. Assuming your son is straight, it does seem like however woke straight males can be in some circumstances, they’re still capable of reaching for homophobia when riled.

Livelovebehappy · 16/09/2025 21:00

If there’s no proof other than your sons word against the other boys, then I would stick up for your son and make sure you stand strong on that. Unless you get proof that your son did say something, it could well be the other boy was lying because he was angry about the argument they had. And I definitely wouldn’t entertain them remaining friends, because there could be other accusations down the line.

Namechange2700000 · 16/09/2025 21:00

There has to be more to this story.

Your DS has potentially lost everything he loves over false allegations but has the accuser sat in his house having a nice time days later?

Nope, not buying it.

ChimneyPot · 16/09/2025 21:01

If there were punches both ways have they both been excluded from rugby or just your DS?

SimoneHere · 16/09/2025 21:03

So, is the other kid sticking to his story (a group jumped him, beat him to the ground and kicked him, and used homophobic slurs), and he’s just forgiven it all now because Jesus said to turn the other cheek? Or has his story changed?

R0ulette · 16/09/2025 21:06

Daalden · 16/09/2025 20:52

They’ve actually known each other since they were about 10, through rugby first and then college. It’s always been this on-off thing where they fall out, won’t speak, then suddenly they’re mates again like nothing happened. But it’s never ever gone this far before, never anything like being accused of a hate crime. That’s what’s completely floored me.

Yes, the boy is gay. DS has known that for ages and honestly hasn’t cared, it’s never been an issue between them before. DS keeps saying it’s personal between the two of them, not about that.

I don’t know about the sexuality theory, maybe, but DS has never said anything to me that would suggest it. He just seems devastated that he’s lost rugby. He actually said tonight he doesn’t even care about college anymore now he’s been kicked off the team because that was everything to him.

Well any homophonic slur at all is not ok. As the mother of a gay son who several years after school is still needing therapy for homophobic bullying and language which was rife I’m pleased the rugby club has a firm stance on it.

Motnight · 16/09/2025 21:06

Namechange2700000 · 16/09/2025 21:00

There has to be more to this story.

Your DS has potentially lost everything he loves over false allegations but has the accuser sat in his house having a nice time days later?

Nope, not buying it.

This. Your ds is not telling you the full truth.

PinkFrogss · 16/09/2025 21:06

What has the other kid got to gain by lying about his former best mate? And why is DS friends with him again and if the opinion of it’s all sorted if due to friends lies he’s booted off the rugby team etc.

Its not adding up.

JNicholson · 16/09/2025 21:07

R0ulette · 16/09/2025 21:06

Well any homophonic slur at all is not ok. As the mother of a gay son who several years after school is still needing therapy for homophobic bullying and language which was rife I’m pleased the rugby club has a firm stance on it.

This is so sad to hear, I’m sorry.

lrjh · 16/09/2025 21:12

Sounds more like a broken relationship with domestic abuse and authority figures stepping in OP.

edwinbear · 16/09/2025 21:14

I agree with PP on that 16 yr old rugby players don’t say ‘shut up’ to each other when they’re throwing punches - that’s bollocks if he’s told you that. And I say that as a mum of a 16 yr older of rugby player. But what did you say when you saw this lad (who is potentially going to destroy your DS’s life) sat at your kitchen table? Did you not ask what he was doing there, or just say ‘hi X’ and walk out? 🙄

CalzoneOnLegs · 16/09/2025 21:15

I am surprised that nobody filmed this altercation

arcticpandas · 16/09/2025 21:20

Sounds like your DS is having a hard time accepting his sexuality. I could be wrong but why would the guy he was in a fight with be in your house all of a sudden?

Daalden · 16/09/2025 21:20

Just to be clear it’s only DS who has been kicked off the team. He usually trains three times a week with them and matches at the weekend. Same team since he was 7 so it’s a massive part of his life. I suppose he probably could go and play for a different one but right now I don’t think he wants that. He just looks gutted.

As far as I know the only witness is the boy’s mate who was there. So of course he’s backing him up.

I should probably admit as well DS has been warned before about his language by his coaches. Nothing like what he’s accused of this time but he can get a bit mouthy on the pitch if he’s wound up.

Someone asked what I said when I came in and saw the boy sitting there. Honestly I just froze. I was so shocked. I think I said something like “what is going on” and DS just brushed it off saying it’s sorted now. I didn’t want to kick off in front of the other lad so I just left them to it but inside I was fuming.

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