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DS accused of a homophobic hate crime

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Daalden · 16/09/2025 20:28

Sorry this is going to be long and all over the place because I can’t think straight and every time I think I’ve got the full story something else comes up.

My DS is 16 and last week there was a fight after college, in town by the bus stops. DS and another boy from his rugby team who is also at his college, they’re on the same course, sometimes in the same classes, anyway it all kicked off. Now it’s all blown up way bigger than I ever thought it would.

The boy and his mum are saying DS and a group of mates jumped him, shoved him to the ground, kicked him and DS was shouting homophobic slurs at him. Words I don’t even want to type but you can imagine. DS is adamant that is not what happened. He says it was just him and the boy, no gang, they’ve had beef for ages, the boy shoved him first, DS lashed out and it was punches both ways and they both walked off. DS swears blind he never said anything homophobic, says he just shouted random angry stuff like “shut up” and “don’t push me” but not slurs.

Now it’s gone to rugby and they’ve basically said DS is out. He’s played since he was 7, it’s his whole life, he’s devastated. College are saying safeguarding meetings, governors, they’re using words like hate crime, assault, police referral. Someone told me even if it doesn’t go to court it can stay on record as a hate incident and show up later on DBS checks which has absolutely floored me because he wanted to do coaching and now that’s in jeopardy. I worry he could actually be arrested. We’ve not had police at the house but I’ve had one missed call from a number I didn’t recognise and now I’m panicking it was them.

The worst bit is this is not new. DS and this lad have been clashing for months if not years. There was that incident in training when they nearly came to blows, coaches had to pull them apart. DS’s boots went missing in the changing rooms once and he always swore it was this lad. They’ve been sniping on Snapchat, calling each other names, DS says he was constantly winding him up calling him thick and useless. So this didn’t come out of nowhere.

I even went into college last week to ask if DS could be moved out of classes with him because I thought at least that would separate them. But today I got home from work and nearly screamed because the SAME lad was sat in my kitchen with DS like they were best mates again. So if he’s so scared and traumatised like his mum is saying then why is he laughing on my sofa with DS? DS says it’s “all sorted now” and that they’ve made up. But how can it be sorted if rugby are still kicking him off and college are threatening governors meetings and safeguarding?

I’m so confused. On one hand DS is no angel, he’s got a temper, he’s been in detentions for backchat and being lippy but he’s never been violent before, never been in trouble with the law. On the other hand I don’t believe he’s homophobic. He’s got gay friends, he doesn’t care, he keeps saying “mum it’s personal between me and him not that.”

But now I feel like people have already decided he’s guilty. The boy’s mum is telling everyone he’s dangerous, rugby don’t want him, college are treating him like a safeguarding risk. I keep coming back to the fact the boy clearly isn’t scared of DS if he’s sat in my kitchen today.

AIBU to think this has been blown totally out of proportion, that it was just teenage lads fighting and it should’ve been dealt with as such? Or do I need to accept he’s properly messed his life up and this could follow him forever?

OP posts:
Tubestrike · 16/09/2025 21:22

Does the other lads mum know that they're friends again? You must have reacted when you saw him in your kitchen. There definitely seems to be a piece of the puzzle missing.

BMW6 · 16/09/2025 21:23

So how does your son and the boy feel about your son being kicked off the rugby team now they are chums again?? Surely it's being talked about??

NotMyNigelFarage · 16/09/2025 21:28

JNicholson · 16/09/2025 20:59

Well I don’t know what happened between them, but this sort of reminds me of when the actor Isaiah Washington from Gray’s Anatomy, who had played gay parts before and written thoughtfully about homophobia, called his gay co-worker T R Knight a homophobic slur during a fight. Assuming your son is straight, it does seem like however woke straight males can be in some circumstances, they’re still capable of reaching for homophobia when riled.

Edited

Or people just resort to insulting the most obvious characteristics when angry, whether that's calling them a 'fat c*nt', 'ginger prick', or some homophobic slur.

JNicholson · 16/09/2025 21:33

NotMyNigelFarage · 16/09/2025 21:28

Or people just resort to insulting the most obvious characteristics when angry, whether that's calling them a 'fat c*nt', 'ginger prick', or some homophobic slur.

Well no, because if it was just about obvious characteristics then in theory you could be shouting ‘thin cunt’ ‘dark-haired prick’ or ‘disgusting hetero’. But people don’t. It’s about reaching for (or letting out, when angry) an existing social prejudice.

edwinbear · 16/09/2025 21:34

On the rugby front OP, there should be a proper disciplinary process in place, his club should have this published. It usually involves a hearing with the player, his coach, and/or a parent. Has that happened?

powershowerforanhour · 16/09/2025 21:34

"DS is no angel, he’s got a temper, he’s been in detentions for backchat and being lippy"

The rugby team directors probably see him as a liability. If he has a tendency for backchat and gets lippy with the ref, he'll get sin binned and lose his team matches. If he loses the rag he'll get sent off altogether. Nobody is that good that their skills when they keep a lid on it justify the risk of playing with 14 for most of a match. Even if he is fine on the pitch, they have to consider behaviour off it. Methodist College Belfast are £50k down after having to shell out in a civil case for off the pitch behaviour on a tour,for example.

Also "he's never been violent before"- well there's always a first time, and if he gets a reputation for an uncontrollable temper and violence and they know it, and play him, and he throws a punch in the wrong place or spear tackles somebody who has been winding him up, then life changing injury could ensue and nobody wants to have anything to do with that shitshow. I don't know whether a corporate liability case would fly but no outfit wants to be the subject of a test case.

NotMyNigelFarage · 16/09/2025 21:36

JNicholson · 16/09/2025 21:33

Well no, because if it was just about obvious characteristics then in theory you could be shouting ‘thin cunt’ ‘dark-haired prick’ or ‘disgusting hetero’. But people don’t. It’s about reaching for (or letting out, when angry) an existing social prejudice.

Well, people usually go for the most offensive slur don't they. Being dark haired, heterosexual, and thin aren't usually the subject of mockery.

NotMyNigelFarage · 16/09/2025 21:37

Like, you wouldn't shout "you exceedingly handsome prick!".

PinkFrogss · 16/09/2025 21:38

So he’s devastated and gutted, and no longer cares about college. But he’s also mates with the boy again. Have you asked him what way it is “all sorted now”?

I agree with others that there’s more to their “friendship” than you believe

JNicholson · 16/09/2025 21:43

NotMyNigelFarage · 16/09/2025 21:36

Well, people usually go for the most offensive slur don't they. Being dark haired, heterosexual, and thin aren't usually the subject of mockery.

I think you’re just repeating what I just said in slightly different words?

cestlavielife · 16/09/2025 21:43

Your ds fights has a temper you recognise that. regardless, he is a liability to the club. Why does he think it is ok to be lippy and show his temper? Why do you accept it? Maybe this will be enough for him to change his behaviour. He can be a nicer person.

Daalden · 16/09/2025 21:48

There hasn’t been any kind of formal disciplinary process with rugby. No hearing or anything like that. We just got told he’s out. Maybe they’ll follow up later but so far it’s been very final.

I don’t know if the other lad’s mum knows they’re back on speaking terms. I honestly don’t think she’d be very happy if she did. When I walked in and saw him in my kitchen I was totally thrown but DS just kept saying it was fine and they’d sorted it.

DS says they talked it through and made up. That’s all I’ve got out of him. He’s definitely still gutted about rugby though. He hasn’t stopped going on about that and keeps saying what’s the point in college now. But at the same time he’s sat there with this boy laughing again like nothing happened. It doesn’t make sense to me at all.

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Tubestrike · 16/09/2025 21:54

If your son is that upset about the rugby team, can't he ask his mate to speak to them? Although given his attitude and being lippy, maybe the team have used this as a final straw to get rid of him.

BMW6 · 16/09/2025 21:56

Makes no sense at all, I'm completely baffled.

Maddy70 · 16/09/2025 21:56

There will be witnesses and probably CCTV. If your son was homophobic then he deserves a punishment

LayerCakeOfStrangers · 16/09/2025 21:58

Stay away from that other mum OP! Keep them at arms length and encourage your DS to before the next ding dong they have

Definitely ask for the rugby club policy as as much as I think your DS does sound a bit of a troublemaker, fair is fair and they can’t just kick him out

Hankunamatata · 16/09/2025 22:00

I wonder if rugby has reached their limit with him if they have been warning him about his behaviour already

Ddakji · 16/09/2025 22:03

I would be asking the other boy why his mother is set on ruining your DS’s life if it’s all sorted out. I would want him to go to the rugby club and clear it up.

And I’m going to hazard a guess that your DS may well be gay and like this boy.

Agapornis · 16/09/2025 22:09

I'd ask your son some serious questions. Does he think this is a healthy friendship? Does he know that inviting him inside his home is likely to lead to further trouble? It can either strengthen or undermine the police and other investigations. He should be very concerned that this boy might accuse him of assaulting him in your home.

I'd be very surprised if these bus stops aren't covered by CCTV.

But make hay while the sun shines - ask his now-friend to retract it.

Trendyname · 16/09/2025 22:10

Livelovebehappy · 16/09/2025 21:00

If there’s no proof other than your sons word against the other boys, then I would stick up for your son and make sure you stand strong on that. Unless you get proof that your son did say something, it could well be the other boy was lying because he was angry about the argument they had. And I definitely wouldn’t entertain them remaining friends, because there could be other accusations down the line.

This.

Newsenmum · 16/09/2025 22:17

If there was a proper fight then surely the other boy should be out too?

Tbh op this is a good lesson for him. It’s sad it’s got to this but whatever the language, he needs to see the consequences now he’s growing up. His behaviour is concerning so may be best to focus on how he can work on this. Try a different sport perhaps and maybe some therapy? He cant keep getting into fights as a grown man.

PixieTales · 16/09/2025 22:19

College are saying safeguarding meetings, governors, they’re using words like hate crime, assault, police referral

Yeah there’s no way your son just said “shut up” You are in denial there, what a vile little human he sounds.

Ladyzfactor · 16/09/2025 22:19

powershowerforanhour · 16/09/2025 21:34

"DS is no angel, he’s got a temper, he’s been in detentions for backchat and being lippy"

The rugby team directors probably see him as a liability. If he has a tendency for backchat and gets lippy with the ref, he'll get sin binned and lose his team matches. If he loses the rag he'll get sent off altogether. Nobody is that good that their skills when they keep a lid on it justify the risk of playing with 14 for most of a match. Even if he is fine on the pitch, they have to consider behaviour off it. Methodist College Belfast are £50k down after having to shell out in a civil case for off the pitch behaviour on a tour,for example.

Also "he's never been violent before"- well there's always a first time, and if he gets a reputation for an uncontrollable temper and violence and they know it, and play him, and he throws a punch in the wrong place or spear tackles somebody who has been winding him up, then life changing injury could ensue and nobody wants to have anything to do with that shitshow. I don't know whether a corporate liability case would fly but no outfit wants to be the subject of a test case.

Yeah, my guess is the son has caused a lot of other issues and they finally had enough. There is no way your bad tempered, mouthy son just told the other boy to shut up in an equally matched fight.

Octavia64 · 16/09/2025 22:24

The frenemy type relationship can be really tricky at this age.

i was a teacher for a number of years.

we had an incident where two teenage gyros had fallen out and one called the other a racist slur in the heat of the argument. There were plenty of witnesses - she shouted it very, very loudly.

they’d made up again within days.

but it was recorded as a racist incident, parents were involved, the lot.

teenagers are not sensible. Many of them have very little control over what comes out if their mouths when they are angry.

at 16 this sort of thing does bring a whole heap of trouble with it.

his college will be required to report it.
sounds like he was a liability at rugby as well and the team just can’t take the risk he’ll do something to get them fined or worse.

getting the other lad to retract will do nothing to stop any of these processes.

i’m sorry. He’s been a muppet - repeatedly by the sound of it - and is now facing the consequences.

BollyKnickerz · 16/09/2025 22:27

You've got to be so very careful with this world we live in now. We all had opportunities to fuck up as kids and young people. Get things wrong. Get in petty fights. Giggle about things you shouldn't.No police were called. You just grew up, got a bollocking from an older wiser person and learnt.

Now it's all "reported" and "policed". I feel sorry for our kids generation. They aren't allowed to make mistakes. So what if he called him a name during a mutual fight. Homophobia is a persistent negative belief,behaviours or hatred towards homosexuality and anyone who is gay. Homophobia isn't calling someone a name when In the heat of anger. We've totally forgotten in this time what homophobia actually is (as with most isms)

Apparently it is now though ? I'm so glad I grew up in the 90s when you could live down your teenage behaviour and schools and clubs and employers didn't "log" everything in a big old judgemental "sin file".

No good advice I'm afraid. But I sympathise with the situation you're in.