To think Keir Starmer is toast as soon as the state visit is over

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Just that really. If it wasn't for the visit he'd probably be gone already.

Thanks. I wasn’t aware of that. It makes his position less safe. Who would people prefer? I can only see Wes Streeting or Shabana Mahmood as strong enough to govern. But it’s difficult to know who the backbenchers would go for. I doubt it will happen before May

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It makes his position far safer than that of a conservative leader. There is no mechanism for a vote of no confidence in the labour party - the 20% actually need to back a challenger. Contrast with the conservative party which only require 15% to trigger a vote of no confidence with no challengers.

I remember watching some documentary on the Tories once.

Apparently a lot of their success is down to being ruthless about seeking and maintaining power.

If they think a PM is compromising the future success party there are mechanisms to get rid of them quickly and the party does not hesitate to act. See Truss.

I don't think Labour have the same mechanisms which in some respects may be a strength and in others a weakness.

A lot of the Tories historic success was down to rigid party discipline. They abandoned this when they elected a clown for PM and the party has been in freefall ever since. Unfortunately for them, the wider party (who vote leaders in) and the parliamentary party (who vote leaders out) might as well be two completely different parties.

No, he'll hang on in there, even while the backbenchers queue up to stick the knife in. Will be interesting to see another re-set and phase three next week though.

The wheels won't start to come off until after the autumn budget. Then I reckon Reeves will fall and Starmer will be exposed ready for the inevitable shit-show of the May elections.

The Parliamentary Labour Party tried very hard to remove Corbyn from the leadership of the party and were unable to do so. He only resigned after the party’s worst ever electoral defeat.

So removing Starmer won’t easily happen, unless he himself resigns like Harold Wilson did.

Yes.. that’s what we are all waiting for. When is he going to start?

Actually, that’s a reasonable point. I’m extremely disappointed about the Mandelson debacle.

@Bumblebee72 In effect he did work for the Civil Service as DPP. He was better suited to that and had a HR department!

Yeap. Peter Principal. Everyone gets promoted to their level of incompetence.

Each time I check my newsfeed I'm disappointed to see that KS hasn't resigned.

We have been waiting over a year, do you know when he intends to start?

Anyone remember the days of Ian Blackford parroting "resign Prime Minister" at Boris in the House of Commons? We need him back to parrot at Starmer.

He was an extremely competent DPP. The skill set required to be a successful PM's completely different.

The issue is who could be his replacement? The only person I can think of with any chance whatsoever would be Wes Streeting. Whom is respected both sides of the house.

If a PM s respected by the opposition they’re not doing their job properly.

@BlossomtoesYes, it’s different. He’s lacking political nous. He functions like a civil servant but without a deep understanding of politics or consequences of actions. Probably too trusting.

Going to be tough the next four years then.

I don’t recall you saying that about Boris! 😂

Ah, but being disrespected by the opposition doesn’t equate to doing the job properly. You’re applying false equivalence there.

Hopefully not long now...🙏

I am saying if you are sick of Starmer we really are in the shit!

Wonder if he'll get his appointment for ENT?

When did I say was sick of him?