To think Keir Starmer is toast as soon as the state visit is over

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Just that really. If it wasn't for the visit he'd probably be gone already.

He will be gone very soon I reckon. This week maybe...

How do you envisage that happening?

The voice of reason. He's having a torrid time right now no doubt about it, and yes in some respects he is the author of his own misfortune. But the job was always a poisoned chalice, it's years until the next election and he's got a massive parliamentary majority. Plus I expect that constant shrieking from most of the press and internet blow-hards (the type who are happy to broadcast their opinion on politics but don't know that the 1922 Committee is nothing to do with Labour), was fully priced in from the off.

If people think the current administration is shambolic then I can guarantee that a Reform one - with their cast of inexperienced misfits and fantasy economics - will be much, much worse.

I think we need some stability. No one is perfect and we need some calm leadership. No decisions are easy but there’s too much shit happening for this country to descend into a fight for the top job. IMO politicians need to take a long hard look at how they behave and think about what their behaviour does to those who are vaguely interested in becoming a politician. All this calling into account and going on and on about things the other side have done & then blaming the other side for things they did years ago, it’s mad. Business doesn’t behave like this, we don’t have the Tesco board slagging off Sainsburys. And I know it’s public money etc but if decent people with more up front aims and objectives ran the country in a more cohesive and cooperative fashion I think we’d do a lot better. We need long term policies for the UK which are agreed by all on key things not keep swapping things and changing things all the time. They all need their heads banging together!!

Many of us are happy to roll the dice on that.

How is the pay off working out for those who gambled on Labour?

Right wingers are desperate aren’t they? Pick, pick, pick at every little thing. It is very noticeable after decades of Tory corruption and enough to make me think that Labourmust be doing something right, to scare them so much.

Labour are losing their own support from the last GE, very few do approve and the majority don’t 11% v 70%. Apart from the more loyal on mn most can see it’s not going well.

I think the country needs to let leaders lead for the term that they are elected for. It isn’t Tinder dating, you can’t just swipe for the next one and ghost.

It's not just rightwingers who are critical of Labour. Myself and my Labour voting friends are all dismayed by what is happening with this government. I don't think Starmer will be gone by next week but will be gone after the May elections as Reform will do better than them in Scotland and Wales. I am so annoyed that Labour's self inflicted mistakes are helping Farage to have a good chance of being the next prime minister.

Labour’s popularity has nosedived very quickly after they came to power. I hope he does stay in post 😊

Not just right wingers are unhappy with this shower.

I agree.
I don’t like Starmer, or Labour and I didn’t vote for them but having as much stability as we can is what is needed and that means him staying in post until the next election at least.

Is Mandy still on the payroll?

Is Starmer incompetent or a liar?

Christ I hope not. I'm a Labour voter but could never vote for her

But what were they hoping to win? People need to get real - they want good public services that are getting ever more expensive as the population ages, and which have been run down for over a decade by the previous government. Government debt is very high limiting the ability to run a deficit for much longer. Suggest that we might need to pay a bit more tax to dig our way out of the hole and whoever is affected screams blue murder. Ditto if you try to cut public spending. The circle has sort of been squared over previous decades by importing cheap labour from abroad, but now we've decided we really don't want that either. It is a giant shit sandwich and eventually we are all going to have to take a big bite - there are no easy answers. Cuddly uncle Nige will tell you that he can solve it by being nasty to a few thousand penniless powerless refugees and sacking a few council diversity officers. Uncle Nige is a fucking twat. But you go ahead and vote for him, I'll see you back here in a few years moaning about how he didn't magic up the golden sunlit uplands he promised either.

While he's not doing well, I can't see any reason Labour would get rid at the moment. They're not the Tories, constantly jostling for the leadership.

Just because Farage and presumably the shitty Reform social media algorithm keeps telling people we need another PM or another election, it doesn't mean we'll get one. Thank god. Let's have a bit of stability for a change.

When he does go, I'd like to see Wes Streeting in - he's better at connecting with people and I think would do well against Farage.

Wes is doing brilliantly in his current role, not that he's getting much credit for it.
Keir would make a great Foreign Secretary he has done wonders with international relations

He needs better advisors, it's amazing how many people they lost by the removing of the WFA people still believe they won't be getting it now. It did need some kind of means testing but the bar was too low.

No Conservative government has ever had to deal with such a biased and viscous press, that's actually scary. And as for Musk...

Another thread! The answer is no of course

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There are plenty in the Labour ranks jostling for the leadership.

When did this start? Changing PMs all the time.

I don’t agree with it. It means the country can vote one person in. They leave and only the party voters get to chose the next. It’s undemocratic.

The Labour Party don’t have a 1922 Committee

Well yes, they are not giving us the change we need as far as I can see. We need neoliberalism over turned, we need the emphasis on capital that’s been going on for 20, 40 years overturned, we need all the myths busted, and we need it against a background of inequality and impoverishment - and lack of jobs due to computers /AI. The u-turn over winter fuel taxes was spineless and tax on millionaire tax-avoiding farm owners has gone quiet. There is no more time. But it’s difficult to find out what is happening now, and these right wingers do give me hope that more is happening than I see. I wonder if that’s their intention?

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My money is on a woman.