To think Keir Starmer is toast as soon as the state visit is over

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Just that really. If it wasn't for the visit he'd probably be gone already.

Gone how? The Labour Party have different leadership processes to the Tories and they definitely don't have a 1922 Committee!!!!! They have a rule book and a National Executive responsible for all of that kind of stuff and it doesn't include just getting rid of a leader like the Tories do.

@CrushingOnRubies given that you don't know what/who the 1922 Committee is, I'm not going to take the rest of your post seriously.

I think Starmer is safe until the next election. The backbenchers will huff and puff but ultimately the party is so bereft in talent that there isn't really anyone to step in. Look at the line up for the deputy leadership, we have more capable candidates running for the school PTA. One has already been sacked and the other is fucking up the education system even more than Gove which is an impressive feat. We are just going to have a drawn out farce until Reform get elected.

But you go ahead and vote for him, I'll see you back here in a few years moaning about how he didn't magic up the golden sunlit uplands he promised either

All the pro-Reform posters will magically vanish if Farage gets in. Or they will be bigging Farage up, come what may.

I think that Farage knows he is at his peak right now. Hence all the pushing for an early election and all the social media activity.

To keep the momentum going for another three and a half years is going to be challenging for Farage. Especially when he has Yaxley-Lennon encouraging the more far right of his supporters towards Advance.

Labour needs to stop chasing Reform votes. It needs to find its backbone. Make the tough decisions. We all need to pay more tax

So? Look how many PMs the Tories went through

i have no idea how he has held on for so long with everything. That said sometimes it’s better the devil you know, if he goes there is no one to really take over

There isn't the same mechanism for Leadership challenges in the Labour party. Much less chaotic.

If only! Isn’t that the issue? He isn’t doing his job. He is totally out of his depth and some.

You know he is in trouble when Trump starts to feel sorry for him!!

A drawn out farce followed by a swift crash as the fuckwit grifter party loot the economy. Or what's left of it. Just as the American ppl finally rid themselves of the Incubus, Britain will vote for the same toxic medicine.

Or maybe not....

The intent is still there though. You said Labour weren’t like the Tories, jostling for the leadership. I beg to differ. Just because the rule book is different doesn’t mean to say the knives aren’t out.

Pay more tax? For what? The services are dire and non existent. We need to bloody fire up the economy, loosen the bureaucracy around business - we need productivity and people to bloody work!!! Our borrowing is going through the roof.

We need a competent government.

Your answer to everything is put up taxes but you haven’t even considered the fiscal implications of that. So uneducated on the subject.

True and it can cause pretty big issues for Starmer.

He’s stumbling from one disaster until the next. I’m guessing that there are many within the Labour Party who want him gone but it’s anyone’s guess if it will happen.

@IvyTwines I’m in total agreement about lack of talent in MPs. There aren’t any leaders!

Burnham has no seat. Trying to get one might be problematic. A Labour mp is suspended and could be pushed. But - would Burnham win this seat? Or would Reform? Burnham has not bought into this Government and has an easy ride, politically, in Manchester. He’s referred to as the King of the North. Labour MPs need to think very carefully about looking like Conservatives. Unfortunately too many of them have not understood the vote for change at the last election. There’s no change. Infighting, non payment of tax, appointing a sleaze ball in the USA, voting against the government and now wanting a new leader. Politicians are not lawmakers - they feel like rabble.

Your answer to everything is put up taxes but you haven’t even considered the fiscal implications of that. So uneducated on the subject

The insult is telling.

I mean, yes, it's a political party. Lots of egos. The Greens and Lib Dems and Reform will all have jostling too. But leadership challenges are much rarer in Labour, because of the difference the rules on how these things are decided. People can jostle all they want, but it's a much longer process which prevents the chaos of the May/Johnson/Truss/Sunak years and we're not going to see the same revolving door of leaders from Labour.

As far as I know the only way to get rid of a Labour PM is a vote of no confidence which would also bring down the government and all those Labour MPs know that would mean they were out of a job. They may be unhappy with things but they are not going to do that. They could try to pressure him to resign, but then if they were successful there would be a huge upheaval where the Labour Party selects a leader under their rules.

I doubt it unless Mandleson really does a job on him...It would be bloody brilliant if he did. Starmer is a waste of time with a past so murky I am sure people would struggle to quite believe the man he really is.
I think he is not fit to be pretending to lead this country. He is clueless and dangerous.

Murky past? What are you on about?

I’m clearly ignorant and genuinely confused but what brings all this speculation and attacks towards KS?

What has he done that is deserving of all that?

We’ve had clowns like BJ and Truss and there was nothing like what we have now…?

In politics the knives are always out!!!! We have a predominantly right wing press in the UK, so that will focus on coverage of all things gloomy to do with Labour. I'm no fan of Keir Starmer or Labour but I think the speculation about him being thrown out is exactly that and doesn't really mean anything, other than click bait headlines.

Murky? Do tell!

This.

They basically lied about taxes to get elected though.

Apparently we were not going to get any tax increases and get wonderful services and it was all going to be funded by economic growth.

Unfortunately there hasn't been any growth, we can't borrow any more money. We're starting to get in danger of breaching the "immovable" fiscal rules they have set themselves (if they do breach them it will send bond markets into a tailspin) and they are desperately trying to spin the promises about raising tax into something else so they can actually do it while claiming they aren't actually breaking any promises.

They are pretty much finished, one year after taking power. And that is without talking about the sleaze and scandals.

With a very unpopular Tory government they had a golden opportunity to get in on a tax and spend manifesto, but they totally blew it.

Accusing this government of sleaze after various, increasingly dodgy incarnations of a Conservative government for 14 years, with all they entailed, is tongue in cheek, surely?

I'm not Kier Starmer cheerleader but never thought of him having a murky past... please enlighten me.