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To think Keir Starmer is looking more ridiculous by the day

281 replies

Viviennemary · 15/09/2025 17:37

I've just seen an interview with Keir Starmer talking in riddles. If he knew then what he knew now then this mess wouldn't have happened. Three hour debate about it tomorrow in Parliament. Surely his time is up. But if a lefty takes over it might be worse.

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luckylavender · 15/09/2025 19:44

Tory is an acceptable word to describe a member of the Conservative Party. A historic word.

Fluffyholeysocks · 15/09/2025 19:44

Thisismadness · 15/09/2025 19:42

Starmer has made mistakes but the bigger picture is that the tories destroyed the economy, let pretty much anyone come into the country legally then did practically sod all about asylum seekers etc, especially post brexit. But it seems people are being easily manipulated to blame everything on a new government.

Honestly I despair!

Do you think this government are doing well?

ilovesooty · 15/09/2025 19:44

Zanzara · 15/09/2025 19:42

How dare a British Prime Minister ask the British people what they actually wanted? How dare he not concur with the Westminster consensus that only those within the metropolitan bubble know what's best for the rest of the country?

Cameron had his faults, but that was the finest, most honourable thing a British PM has done in a long time.

Oh give over. He did it to appease the right wingers in his party and try to prevent the growth of UKIP.

TheNuthatch · 15/09/2025 19:45

Thisismadness · 15/09/2025 19:42

Starmer has made mistakes but the bigger picture is that the tories destroyed the economy, let pretty much anyone come into the country legally then did practically sod all about asylum seekers etc, especially post brexit. But it seems people are being easily manipulated to blame everything on a new government.

Honestly I despair!

You're right about migration, but there is no denying that Labour are damaging the economy. People are losing their jobs and businesses because of Reeves's budget.

bombastix · 15/09/2025 19:45

Thisismadness · 15/09/2025 19:42

Starmer has made mistakes but the bigger picture is that the tories destroyed the economy, let pretty much anyone come into the country legally then did practically sod all about asylum seekers etc, especially post brexit. But it seems people are being easily manipulated to blame everything on a new government.

Honestly I despair!

Would you admit voting for all that mess? Not many would. Yes they were incompetent, and some of their voters incompetent too. The Conservative Party chose Liz Truss over Rishi Sunak. They are not first rate minds are they??

randomchap · 15/09/2025 19:46

RuttleTuttle · 15/09/2025 18:48

What harm was done? How did it change things?

Right, got a bit of time to give this a proper answer. I know you're not interested, you just want to defend the Tories and attack Labour, but other people reading the thread might be interested

Johnson suspended parliament during critical period of the Brexit debate. Where parliament was meant to be able to debate and discuss, and eventually vote on how the country would try to Brexit. Essentially by proroguing parliament, he took away the chance for our elected representatives to actually represent us.

It deepened mistrust in government, damaged faith in our political system, and increased polarisation.

The gilt rates now compared to Truss's time are similar but the causes are very different. They spiked during her tenure as the markets had lost faith in the UK's financial stability. Mostly due to the massive, unfunded tax cuts she announced. It was an abrupt panic driven surge.

The high rate of gilts now reflect broader international factors, BoE high interest rates, inflation, normal market expectations.

The big difference is that the movement in gilt rates now are steadier and more predictable.

A simple summary is Truss’s spike was a crisis of confidence, today’s yields are part of a controlled, expected environment.

EasternStandard · 15/09/2025 19:47

bombastix · 15/09/2025 19:45

Would you admit voting for all that mess? Not many would. Yes they were incompetent, and some of their voters incompetent too. The Conservative Party chose Liz Truss over Rishi Sunak. They are not first rate minds are they??

Surely that’s Labour currently with only 11% approval and 70% disapproval. Possibly even moved since Mandelson / Rayner debacle.

bombastix · 15/09/2025 19:49

The election of Liz Truss was ridiculous. How did it happen? This was once the natural party of Government.

There is nothing that this Labour government has done that matches it for sheer incompetence. Nothing.

Sidebeforeself · 15/09/2025 19:49

luckylavender · 15/09/2025 19:44

Tory is an acceptable word to describe a member of the Conservative Party. A historic word.

Yes I know but it is seldom used that way

TheNuthatch · 15/09/2025 19:49

bombastix · 15/09/2025 19:45

Would you admit voting for all that mess? Not many would. Yes they were incompetent, and some of their voters incompetent too. The Conservative Party chose Liz Truss over Rishi Sunak. They are not first rate minds are they??

Who did you vote for in 2024 with your first rate mind?

EasternStandard · 15/09/2025 19:50

bombastix · 15/09/2025 19:49

The election of Liz Truss was ridiculous. How did it happen? This was once the natural party of Government.

There is nothing that this Labour government has done that matches it for sheer incompetence. Nothing.

To you, but you are quite loyal. The general public find Starmer and co lacking going by the polls.

bombastix · 15/09/2025 19:50

It’s a very good 18th century word.

Hellohelga · 15/09/2025 19:50

RuttleTuttle · 15/09/2025 19:28

And yet, none of that is relevant to Keir Starmer. Politicians must by judged by their own behaviour and results, not others'.

It’s very relevant - the behaviour of his predecessors is a yard stick by which to measure him. He’s clean Asa a whistle compared to BJ.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 15/09/2025 19:51

Labour is the reason we’re going to be shafted by Reform. Who knew anyone could be worse than the last lot 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

bombastix · 15/09/2025 19:51

EasternStandard · 15/09/2025 19:50

To you, but you are quite loyal. The general public find Starmer and co lacking going by the polls.

Nothing yet matches Liz Truss and her brief, clueless, economically incompetent tenure. Nothing. Labour must work far harder to hit her impressive lows

smallpinecone · 15/09/2025 19:52

I loathe him almost as much as I do Blair. At least Blair was intelligent and was able to grasp the machinery of state and make it work for him. Starmer is just utterly useless.

Zanzara · 15/09/2025 19:53

ilovesooty · 15/09/2025 19:44

Oh give over. He did it to appease the right wingers in his party and try to prevent the growth of UKIP.

No, you "give over". The primary duty of a democratically elected government is to carry out the wishes of the electorate. He asked them. It's not hard.

EasternStandard · 15/09/2025 19:53

bombastix · 15/09/2025 19:51

Nothing yet matches Liz Truss and her brief, clueless, economically incompetent tenure. Nothing. Labour must work far harder to hit her impressive lows

Not everyone will feel as you do about Starmer, Reeves and Labour. The general sentiment is very low for them atm.

Hellohelga · 15/09/2025 19:53

TheNuthatch · 15/09/2025 19:29

So our last PM's crime was....being married to a non dom? Shock horror.

Forgot also that RS was fined for lockdown parties. However I do concede in terms of sleaze he was far better than his predecessors.

TheNuthatch · 15/09/2025 19:56

smallpinecone · 15/09/2025 19:52

I loathe him almost as much as I do Blair. At least Blair was intelligent and was able to grasp the machinery of state and make it work for him. Starmer is just utterly useless.

Yep spot on.

Fluffyholeysocks · 15/09/2025 20:03

All this squabbling about sleaze and incompetence is a gift to Reform. I dont think Reform would have the polling they do if Labour and the Tories weren't falling over themselves to make stupid decisions. Yes, the last Tory Government was awful. That's the reason Labour were voting in on a huge majority. Only to completely make a mess of it. Cancelling Rwanda on day one (which may have been the right idea) only to replace it with....nothing other than 'smash the gangs'.
Surely Labour knew they would be forming the next Government? But they seemed so flat footed from the start. I can't believe after a year in Government, Minsters are still trotting out the line 'We inherited.......at the start of every interview.

anotherside · 15/09/2025 20:04

Andy Burnham - please rescue the country.

TheNuthatch · 15/09/2025 20:08

Fluffyholeysocks · 15/09/2025 20:03

All this squabbling about sleaze and incompetence is a gift to Reform. I dont think Reform would have the polling they do if Labour and the Tories weren't falling over themselves to make stupid decisions. Yes, the last Tory Government was awful. That's the reason Labour were voting in on a huge majority. Only to completely make a mess of it. Cancelling Rwanda on day one (which may have been the right idea) only to replace it with....nothing other than 'smash the gangs'.
Surely Labour knew they would be forming the next Government? But they seemed so flat footed from the start. I can't believe after a year in Government, Minsters are still trotting out the line 'We inherited.......at the start of every interview.

Yes, this 👏

CurlewKate · 15/09/2025 20:10

To me the only really inexplicable screw up is the Mandelson thing.

Livelovebehappy · 15/09/2025 20:12

Unfortunately, I voted him in. Only because the Tories had been so incompetent, and I’d grown to quite like Starmer in opposition on the occasions I watched him in Parliament. But I hugely regret doing so. I don’t think he’s strong enough to lead us, and his judgement is really poor. I think prime ministers need strong capable people around them to advise, and unfortunately he has no-one on the front benches who he can rely on.