Charlie Kirk- and the reality

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So here we are- they have a suspect.
The very little we know about his politics suggests he was likely to be right wing, and came from a family/ culture that supported Trump. He also is said to be an introvert, in to video games , and possibly quite mentally unwell.

So there we have it- fancy that - when you live in a context where people have access to guns and some minority of people are not well, people get shot.

Nothing to do with the evils of the “left”. Nothing to do with trans people or “trans ideology”. Just senseless violence, because people who are not well have access to guns.

So what are we going to take/ learn from this?

AIBU?

That was clearly their interpretation at the time, it obviously wasn’t false that there were bullet engravings 🙄 someone leaked to Steven Crowder.

No glee here, I feel sorry for his poor children losing their father. I don't feel the world has lost anything though, he preached nothing but hate. I do suspect his death will lead more people towards the right though he's their martyr now

No glee here, I feel sorry for his poor children losing their father. I don't feel the world has lost anything though, he preached nothing but hate. I do suspect his death will lead more people towards the right though he's their martyr now

You find it weird that our society is now deeply influenced by American culture and politics? Have you had your head in a bucket? Our kids are constantly streaming American content through their screens. 5 year olds are coming to school with American accents and yet the family and friends have no American connection. My child said to-mate-toes to me yesterday and was flabbergasted. He said all his friends say it like that 🤦🏻‍♀️

We also have Farage firmly ensconced up the arsehole of Trump and Elon Mysk routinely commenting on our politics on X. The two countries are becoming intertwined and it’s very bad indeed.

Actually thinking back the BLM marches were triggered by George Floyd being killed by an American policeman and we don’t even have their long background of slavery and civil war and yet still our young people were claiming the same victimisation as their black counterparts. Our history was totally different!!! That’s how entrenched we are.

On this I agree. AI should never be used as an end summary, at the very most it should be used as a useful guide to original sources.

AI is a people pleasing tool. It works by scraping the internet. That is why inaccurate statesmen’s like the IP made should always be challenged. That’s why when people tell you to “google it” you should be very careful. AI is data driven, that data can be easily manipulated.AI is a cancer in society.

Silence? I’m going to assume you’re referring to Palestine. It’s all anyone talks about. It’s in the news multiple times of the day, it’s all over this forum and social media.

Im shocked at what is happening in Palestine but silence is what describes the noise relating to thousands of Christian’s being slaughtered in the Congo.

Yup. "Read the Wikipedia talk page" is also a fun game with emerging controversies.

Head in a bucket- nope, I would love to have my head in a bucket, I have noted the rise of the far right alongside the war in Ukraine, i find it odd that Poland called art 4 this week and that Charlie Kirk has featured more heavily. I actually live down the road from an American air base, so the area i have grown up in was far more entrenched with American culture before the rise of social media.

So what about the transperson he was living with, who is helping the FBI? At the end of the day 2 children are now growing up not knowing their dad, they will see comments and the videos people have posted, and the really foul thing is that they will either see or be shown a video of their dad being shot instead of being political think about those poor kids!

“A law enforcement source confirmed to the New York Post that Robinson was living with Twiggs, who was in the process of transitioning from male to female. Public records also show that the two resided at the same address. The FBI has confirmed they were in a romantic relationship.”

If AI meant that an FBI source had confirmed it then it should have said so explicitly as that is a completely different statement. Saying “The FBI has confirmed” is an unequivocal statement of fact, suggesting official confirmation of the organisation’s position.

If common sense is to be applied to this senseless and horrific shooting, as are all shootings, then it would appear that the killer was a groyper, with extremist right wing views.

100% agree, it’s not unusual to hear young kids mentioning dollars rather than pounds. We need to take back our history and culture and ensure that this is properly taught in schools. We need to ensure that children know we aren’t America and have very different politics, history and culture. However, they are close allies with some similar problems to ours.

lol, no it doesn’t.

Can you please set out in detail how you reached that conclusion? What is your thought process?

Edit wars are rife, but Wikipedia is too biased for me to bother with on anything political/ideological.

What I find particularly irritating is that any attempt to talk about Kirk’s views and the dangers they present seems to be immediatly challenged as being “gleeful” or disrespectful. As if the fact that he has been appallingly murdered has given his views a free pass. And those of us on the left seem to be expected to take the outrageous MAGA rhetoric about his death and who his murderer was without challenge.

It's based on common sense, just like your thought process was.

I’ve no idea what that means.

lol exactly

I find it really hard to believe that someone genuinely believes that. You’re either joking, in complete denial, or, well, I’ll leave it at that…

You are hinting at a conspiracy theory and I am giving you a more logical explanation. My head in a bucket theory is ringing true.

Was just thinking the same. Those pesky introverts, eh? Maladjusted gun-toting psychos the lot of them. 🙄

Precisely because you insist they represent a ‘danger’ - they don’t. He was a man with opinions. If you don’t agree, ignore him. What’s so dangerous?

They are not. They come from law enforcement and the charging documents.

Actually thinking back the BLM marches were triggered by George Floyd being killed by an American policeman and we don’t even have their long background of slavery and civil war and yet still our young people were claiming the same victimisation as their black counterparts. Our history was totally different!!! That’s how entrenched we are.

Just finished a great book on this topic, This is not America by Tomiwa Owolade. He explains how the British context is very different to the American one.