Am I considered far right now?

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Years ago I would have described myself as liberal and on the left. Over recent years the things I seem to agree with seem to be considered to be on the right and even far right

Examples:

I see nothing wrong with wanting to retain British culture or the innate culture of any country and see nothing wrong with a country being proud of its flag..as many are-Spain, Usa, Portugal etc etc

Whilst I have no issue with anyone being transgender, I do not believe transgender males should play in female sports, be in female toilets, prisons etc and I don’t believe children should be given drugs to alter their gender.

I think immigration in Europe needs to be controlled.,and quickly

I would be put off a man and likely wouldn’t see him again if he asked to split the bill on a first date. I can pay the bill four times over, but that’s not the point.

I am educated to post degree status and worked full time in my career for many years until I had my dc, I then wanted to and was thankfully able to stay at home. I see nothing wrong with the man going out to work, the mum staying home, taking care of the kids and the house-if that suits everyone and they’re happy doing that. My ideal scenario now would be a nice community, homeschooling and raising kids.

I am not anti abortion completely but my stance leans more towards this angle (I don’t tell anyone this though)

I regularly watched Charlie kirk, whilst I didn’t agree with everything and i’m not hugely religious, I agreed with a lot of his points and found he made his points respectfully. I also regularly watch Piers morgan uncensored

I didn’t agree with the almost forcing of people to have the covid injection

I quite like Trump

I feel embarrassed writing all this down as I feel I can’t really say this in real life

Have I become far right?

Oh you got there first! I was going to say that.

NO, you haven't it's just the far left have moved the goalposts.

This is what I mean by slipping further right.

No-one on the left has threatened to lock up their political opponents or remove the citizenship of people they don't like (See Trump triggering investigations in various Democrats, "Lock Her Up" and his threats to Rosie O'Donnell).

The left do not have the social media presence and right wing advocacy presence that the right have - there is no one individual on the left who is comparable in terms of reach and influence as Charlie Kirk.

The left do not have their own dedicated TV channel and in this country there is are two left leaning mainstream papers compared with five right wing papers.

The left are not responsible for over 80% of political related killings.

So given the right have total control of all levers of government in the US and a pretty strong hold in the UK, have a significantly more media and social media control AND are more likely to commit violence against those they disagree with, how can you justify the view that it is the left that flatten anyone else's viewpoint and make people scared to say what they feel?

My questions would be:

• what is the ‘innate’ British culture you want to protect? Interesting for someone who is not religious to say this, until a little while ago religion would be widely considered part of the ‘innate’ British culture. So at what point do you think our cultural development should be paused?
• what do you like about Trump!
• you say you are anti-abortion leaning - is that just the choice that you would make for yourself (which of course is fine), or do you think other women should have their right to abortion limited?
• similarly, of course you can choose to be a sahm, do you think other women should also be sahms?

There’s a lot between “do gooding snowflake” and “far right”. I think it’s commonly recognised that people’s political tend to move further to the right as they get older, but “far right” is a very different beast.
Are you a racist islamaphobe?

What do you like about Trump? I notice you've avoided addressing this question so far...

Why should the man pay the bill?

How were people "almost forced" to have the COVID vaccine?

This happens a lot. Jealousy is at the root.

I agree. In the UK local government has very little power, other than patronage power, so it doesn't attract many people, and sometimes attracts the wrong types of people.

(By that I mean that Westminster has given councils an enormous list of things that they are required by law to fund. So they get to award a lot of contracts, and decide who to award to, but have very little say over what to award for. They have very little discretionary budget left to try genuinely new or different things).

And nationally we treat our politicians terribly, and get the quality of politicans we deserve as a result.

Also never enforce views on others, in fact I don’t say this out loud really, which is why I posted on here

You only find it scary because of your poor reading comprehension skills and your inability to understand what I said.

But thats ok, OP is a "qualified teacher " maybe she can help you through.

I think it’s also the assumption Im doing it because I believe it’s the only way and I judge others, which is ridiculous.

The far right do love their personality cults. Once Farage goes Reform will be over. Ditto Trump and MAGA. The far right will still exist but it’ll go all quiet again and decent people won’t follow it. Can’t wait.

I think the actual far left are just as problematic as the far right. East bloc communism is an example of the awfulness of the far left. Try also Mao or Castro, Lenin/Stalin.

However, not "quite liking" sex offender Trump and being open to (some) immigration does not make a person far left, despite this becoming a very popular view on mumsnet over the last few months.

Would not vote Reform and despise the DM

I think the question you should ask yourself is whether you think these things are right for you, or for everyone. And would you substitute 'see nothing wrong in' for 'I think this should be the case'. Would you be happy to live in a society where the choices you've made to suit yourself were imposed on you, even if they hadn't suited you? If the answer to these questions is yes, then you would be hard right. And this is the position people like CK take. Not simply embracing a way of life, but trying to impose it. Because the hard bit whether left or right is the desire to control others and force them to live in accordance with your views.

But it's looking like Charlie Kirk was murdered by someone on the extreme right who felt he wasn't extreme enough. How does that fit your narrative? Did you say the same about the right wing when Nancy Pelosi's husband was brutally attacked or when the two democratic Congress people were murdered because of their views?

I agree with three quarters of your points and I would not consider myself right wing. once you get to liking Trump and agreeing with Charlie Kirk then you are moving towards far right.

The fact that you talk about "the left" the way that you do tells me that your algorithms have picked up that you are susceptible to right wing rhetoric and this is the content that it is feeding you.

He told a 10 year old girl he’d be dating her in ten years and was a frequent visitor to Epstein’s parties, so it’s entirely possible.

He also has been found liable for sexual assault.

I’m considering voting Reform because illegal immigration is a serious issue that undermines the rule of law and puts pressure on public services like healthcare, housing, and schools, affecting everyone including those who came here legally. It’s unfair to people who follow the proper legal process, while others bypass the rules. I also support parts of Reform’s platform on government accountability, fiscal responsibility, and ensuring laws are enforced fairly. Other parties have consistently failed to enforce existing laws or implement policies that truly control borders, leaving the system open to abuse.

I couldn’t even tell you what British culture is other than having an overinflated sense of self importance and living in a rose tinted view of the past where “rule Britannia” invaded everywhere and only doing, ahem, good things.

That's fair enough. I think you understand what I meant now, and I didn't have any other point to make. Deciding what you think for yourself is the right thing to do.

You know you don't have to like or agree with someone in order to respect certain things about them.

Charlie Kirk was an excellent communicator, who literally gave people he didn't agree with a platform to speak. Offered a different perspective on things and was always respectful, despite being bombarded with abuse daily.
He was the physical embodiment of 'Love thy Enemy'.
I will tell you something for free: I would take a thousand Charlie Kirks over any of the absolute vile, so called 'tolerant' individuals, who have been celebrating the death of a young father of two small children.
Disgusting.

No, historically people believed that people in favour of state ownership of industry and a large welfare state voted left and people in favour of a small state and a free market voted right. It's only from the 1970s onwards that this divide really became tangled with social issues (eg conservatives against feminism, for "family values").

Of course there are "not nice" people with a variety of political views.

He was shot by a right winger though...

I'd say you are right leaning. Meh. It's like religion I suppose - you're entitled to your views as long as you don't try to force them on others

Mainstream conservative.

I'd say that was spot on. Trump is a blunt instrument. He sees the world pretty much as it was 50 or 60 years ago and doesn't hold with global community at all. For him, the primary discourse of the international community is the nation state, and US interests come first. It's a world in which the strong dominate the weak, and if the likes of Putin, Jinping and Khamerei bully their weaker neighbours he has no problem at all with that. In fact, he even seems to view it as the 'natural order', - and if that sounds like the usual misappropriation of Darwin's idea of natural selection this probably isn't far wrong.

The primary decider of who does what is force. He's a nation state supremacist, which also explains why he seems to be in bed with Putin so much - as long as that doesn't conflict with America's interests.

America wanted this; it's what she voted for. All that cant about special relationships and allyships stands for absolutely nothing depending on who is president. To Trump, Britain are amongst the weak ones. Pity someone couldn't have told Blair this two decades ago.