To be saddened that anyone would want to take away a woman’s right to safe abortion?

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It makes me sad and angry that there are so many people who believe that a woman’s right to a termination is up for debate/political football.

It’s always privileged men too.

No woman should be forced to continue with a pregnancy that she doesn’t want.

An abortion is a very safe, simple procedure, it’s a personal and private choice, it’s discreet, no one is ramming it down anyone else’s throat or trying to persuade others to do it. The vast majority of the time is done very early on in the pregnancy. Evidence shows that there are no long term negative physical or mental effects on the woman.

As someone who works for children’s services, there are already far too many children in the care system and they can end up deeply traumatised, and having poor outcomes in life, adoptions often don’t work out and even when they do can be extremely traumatic for both the mother and child. That is not to take away from all of the wonderful adoptive parents and foster carers, but please let’s not romanticise it.

Most adoptions are because the birth parents are unable to care for the child, not because the mother willingly gave the baby up. Therefore to force a woman to give birth would potentially be the worse option for the woman, the child and any existing siblings. It isn’t a fairytale ending where a woman willingly gives up her baby to a loving couple to live happily ever after.

There are babies conceived in poverty, domestic abuse, rape, teenage pregnancies, older age pregnancies. These women should not be forced to give birth, it is not the better option for anyone.

If abortion was ever restricted in the western world then I have no doubt that it would result in unsafe illegal abortions, risking the woman’s life.

Women take all the risk with pregnancy and childbirth. They take an enormous toll on a woman body, her mental health, her life outcomes. We are not living in the dark ages, women deserve the choice.

What right does any privileged male who has probably never experienced any of these things and has probably done very little child rearing, who can never conceive or give birth, have to try to restrict a women’s access to abortion?

Are they themselves going to care for the babies born? Or will they expect that someone else will do it?

TBH, do it yourself. I’m not hurrying to copy and paste sources on the command of a hypocritical misogynist who has had a “justifiable abortion” but thinks other women are monsters, baby killers and committing “feticide”

Goggle is your friend. Though I suspect you won’t as you only seem to be interested in calling other women names

You’re clearly anti choice.

Why not just own it?

Ah so you just wanna punish more women then
Gotcha
The legal limit has been 24 weeks for the last 35 years and no medical advancements have ever supported a reduction in this.

No, I don’t care nor would I believe you

Ergo, I have no idea how me saying babies below 24 weeks don’t feel pain (fact) means I support late term abortion for lifestyle reasons. FYI, you’re just reaching now

Feel free to confirm what exactly?
That you can’t read properly?
Tell me where I’ve implied I agree with late term abortions for lifestyle reasons.
Ill wait

You think the law is black and white, that legislation is so succinct it provides for each and every instance of application without any need for interpretation. Do you understand what case law is?

I’m quite flattered you think my profession is so exclusive I’d make it up.

So you didn’t find one then?
This woman is an absolute exception and went to jail for her crime. Which I’m sure delights you anti-choicers

Pot, kettle. Note you’re the only one swearing and being aggressive on this thread. Says alot about the strength of your arguments.

Well no because the “birth” but implies a live baby and all that comes with it

Otherwise it’s expelling dead fetus and the woman life doesn’t change in nearly the same way

I’ve told you repeatedly I’m not anti choice. As I said in another post. There’s a plethora of examples of women concealing pregnancy and murdering their newborns. So arguably there’s plenty of examples of women who would seek to abort a full term baby. The only difference is the baby has travelled through the birth canal.

You think the impact of infant loss on a woman is dictated by the point at which the infant dies? It’s really that simple?

You are anti choice and are calling imaginary women all sorts of names for their desire to have an abortion. It you’ve had an abortion yourself and you said yours was fine and justified.
So why aren’t other women’s fine and justified? Why do you think you’re so important that you can even make the judgement on Right Abortions and Wrong Abortions? Given that plenty of people would call YOU a baby killer, even having an abortion in earlier stages.
Its called being a hypocrite

That would be called murder, because there’s a live birth.

Your claim to be in the legal profession is getting ever more laughable.

You found one example. That’s not “plenty”.

See illustration to assist in your understanding.

Can I ask how you think the rape exception would work on a practical level?

Give me an example then if grey areas are everywhere.

I found one example of a woman who sought an at home late term abortion, i wasn’t referring to those. Btw child destruction is an offence in England and Wales and refers to the killing of an unborn but viable foetus, so it’s already an offence not especially distinct from murder, in that both involve killing something independently capable of life.

TBH, do it yourself. I’m not hurrying to copy and paste sources on the command of you.

Do you actually think the law is black and white? I’m intrigued as to how you think that works in practice. Of all the comments on this thread that alone is the only one that is amusing.

You’ve said you don’t agree with abortion. That’s anti choice.
Why are you talking about infant murder?
Whats that got to do with anything.
How many is “plenty”?
And can you prove plenty of women have late term abortions DIY

I’m talking about th definition of forced birth. Which you seem to think doesn’t exist. It does.

There’s no grey area.
If you’re against abortion you’re anti choice. It’s really simple
No idea why that offends you.

Oh lord you’re the gift that keeps on giving
This has been discussed already. It’s not the same as abortion, legally or morally (would expect a solicitor to know this) because that’s when the choice is taken away from the one person who can legally choose

But regardless - what’s your point?

The law is set out clearly, black and white, for abortion - eg 24 weeks - not “A woman can have an abortion if she wants to unless she’s a hussy”.

Its not a grey area nor should it be.

And no I won’t do it, you can’t give one example and neither it seems can anyone else. I’d be amazed if an example which can have a set number, doesnt.