To be alarmed at the number of women who are throwing support behind causes that are clearly anti-woman?

[DorothyGaleFromKansas]

With the recent threads about flags/immigrants and Charlie Kirk etc, there seem to be a bewildering number of women supporting causes that directly go against their own interests, and it’s baffling and frankly a bit disturbing.

Reform have voted against tougher laws on stalking, sexual harassment and upskirting, against clamping down on revenge porn, and against further protections in the workplace. Farage cited Andrew Tate as “an important voice for men”.

Then you have Trump, who was found to have committed rape, forced himself into changing rooms where teenagers were undressing, made sexual comments about his own daughter, not to mention 34 other felonies, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein files.

Charlie Kirk said that women should only vote if they were voting for the candidate chosen by their husband, that women shouldn’t go on to higher education unless it was to find a husband, that women should have to submit to their husbands, and that little girls as young as 9 or 10 including his own daughters should be forced to give birth to babies conceived as a result of rape.

What has happened to us that there are so many women willing to endorse attitudes like this? And how do we fix it?! How have we sunk so low that there are women who think this is what we all deserve? It’s terrifying.

You are not being unreasonable op. It’s nuts! 🥜

Not particularly, if you don’t filter everything in your life through the prism of your gender.

It’s very simple really. There is no “so many trans women threatening people with rape”. But that doesn’t fit with the rabid anti-trans narrative.

And to those saying I’m the one denying facts - over 90% of rapes in the UK are committed by people known to the victim, and over 50% by a partner or ex-partner. A third of rapes happen in the victim’s home. Almost another third happen in the perpetrator’s home.

It is not transpeople in bathrooms.

You cannot all claim you are feminists when you are so obsessed with transpeople being the source of all your problems that you are ignoring the fact that it’s partners and ex-partners who are the people raping women in the UK, or murdering one every 5 days.

Imagine what you could do if you focused even a tiny bit of that energy that you expend on what toilets transpeople should use on how we teach young people to form healthy relationships, how to help young men avoid toxic masculinity, and how to support the victims of domestic violence.

And yet you can’t answer the question. Funny, that….

The rape levels and conviction rates in the UK are quite appalling, aren’t they. Can you provide a link to the source of your particular stats please?

If you’re concerned about rapes, why do you want to expose more women to higher risk? Males commit 99% of sexual offences in the UK (source: ONS), which is why we have, for decades, kept males out of female single sex spaces. Because if you already have bad problem, anyone with any sense knows not to add to it.

How does it benefit women to allow a sub set of males into single sex spaces where we’re vulnerable?

On what basis do you believe we should do this and why?

Why do you think feminism should centre the interests of some men over and above the interests of women?

Why do you continue to ignore the fact you have been told over and over that it’s not an issue with trans people, it’s an issue with MALES? Transmen, being female, do not pose an additional risk to women, it’s not them we’re worried about. It’s only trans women, because they are MALE and therefore statistically pose a far greater risk to us. What’s so difficult to grasp about this?

And what, in any case, is the actual problem with trans identified maies using the facilities for males?

All rapes are committed by males. Any woman charged with rape has assisted a penis. A penis has to be involved. Trans women are male. We can’t tell the good ones from the bad ones so single sex spaces exist. To keep all men out of certain ones. What about trans women who do rape? What number would be acceptable for you to say ‘ah, it’s only x amount’.

It’s not even about being raped. Even the good ones who don’t rape need to stay out of our spaces as women are entitled to privacy and dignity away from men. Period.

For the millionth time. Sigh.

There are. Would you like receipts? And these “trans women” men are threatening women with rape, not “people”.

Sad times. What a great loss this entirely reasonable, balanced good faith thread is.

Why are you pretending this is about “transpeople”. It’s about trans “women” who are men and therefore like all other men not welcome in women’s spaces. As I said, stamp your foot and rage all you like. We don’t want any men in female only spaces, regardless of their personal identity or feelings.

This is such a pathetic comment. Discussing what someone said is not slander. Stop trying to silence people you happen to not agree with.

Sorry but it’s hard not to “see life through the prism of my gender” when statistically as a woman I’m more likely to be sexually assaulted compared to a man. But Farage and his ilk voted against laws to protect women against upskirting, spiking, stalking and harassment. No party is 100% perfect but how any woman could vote Reform after that is beyond me.

Hilarious yes. Especially since it was you who used avoidance tactics by responding to a question with a question. The very obvious answer to your question is that trans women are not women, they are men, and as such they represent a threat to women. There is no safe ‘percentage’ - men do not belong in womens’ safe spaces. End of.

Discussion isn’t slander, l agree. Misquoting and cutting and pasting bits of conversation to suit your own agenda may not be either. But that’s what’s happening, as well as some posters asserting that things were said, which clearly were not. Doesn’t matter if you’re a Kirk supporter or not. Without context, it’s muddying the waters.

And your evidence for this conclusion would be…………….?

Errr….. have you seen any of the signs at marches, seem any of the abuse thrown at women both online and in the Internet. At any LwS meet TRA turn up with signs threatening to kill and rape women.

Thank you. You have just clarified that beautifully. The 'right' see women and want to control us. The 'left' erase women - which gives us no ability to fight on the basis of being women.

Your lack of sympathy for women is startling. One in four women has been sexually assaulted or raped. And all women should be able to have spaces away from men when they are going to the toilet or getting changed. Male patterns of sexual offending do not change if they identify as women. We are not just talking about rape, we are talking about masturbation in toilets and voyeurism. I do not support Reform at all and at the last election I agonised about whether to vote Labour or spoil my ballot. I will never support any party which has policies which enable men to identify as women.

Other women are free to disagree. And as you say, no party is perfect, nor will they ever be. Such is life. Often we have to choose the least worst option.

In that case that means sometimes choosing a party which will actually recognise that women exist and their feelings matter.

I’d settle for the party who knows what a woman is. We’re in such a mess and have such enormous issues to tackle that I’d rather they concentrated their energies on our financial woes rather than women’s feelings - whatever those might be.

Ok. That’s a new take on it. So “just hold on women, we’ll get to you eventually”. So how long do women wait before their issues are dealt with. I mean, they discovered a cure for erectile dysfunction before they discovered a cure for endometriosis. Women are still waiting for that.

There’s no reply I can give that you’d agree with - we have fundamentally different ways of viewing the world. You see women’s issues as somehow paramount and view everything through that lens. I just… don’t.

Generally speaking, we have more pressing problems that affect everyone, regardless of gender. We don’t have time to waste on petty arguments over who cured what first. It’s almost as though you’re inventing reasons to feel victimised and hard done by. They’re luxury problems most people the world over can’t afford to waste time swabbing about.

As long as people don’t tell presume to tell me who to vote for, we live in a democracy and everyone has the right to vote the way they want. The fault is the parties on the left for pursuing unpopular identity politics.

You couldn't resist though could you?

This started off as and could have continued being a discussion about women voting people who directly want to harm them through removal of their rights. It's a discussion worth having when so many women are backing Trump and Farage.

But it just had to be derailed into the trans obsession by the FWR posters again didn't it? Shame. But not unpredictable.