To be alarmed at the number of women who are throwing support behind causes that are clearly anti-woman?

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With the recent threads about flags/immigrants and Charlie Kirk etc, there seem to be a bewildering number of women supporting causes that directly go against their own interests, and it’s baffling and frankly a bit disturbing.

Reform have voted against tougher laws on stalking, sexual harassment and upskirting, against clamping down on revenge porn, and against further protections in the workplace. Farage cited Andrew Tate as “an important voice for men”.

Then you have Trump, who was found to have committed rape, forced himself into changing rooms where teenagers were undressing, made sexual comments about his own daughter, not to mention 34 other felonies, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein files.

Charlie Kirk said that women should only vote if they were voting for the candidate chosen by their husband, that women shouldn’t go on to higher education unless it was to find a husband, that women should have to submit to their husbands, and that little girls as young as 9 or 10 including his own daughters should be forced to give birth to babies conceived as a result of rape.

What has happened to us that there are so many women willing to endorse attitudes like this? And how do we fix it?! How have we sunk so low that there are women who think this is what we all deserve? It’s terrifying.

Also, for example, 30% of disabled people would vote Reform.
Reform that has clearly said they want to reduce disability benefits.

Why?
I suspect because people only see soundbites, not the whole picture.
But also Because many people say ‘I’m voting for <insert something important to them, whatever that is> but NOT <insert another point they don’t agree with>
But that’s not how it works.
If you vote for one party, you give your approval to ALLof their ideas. The ones you agree with. And the ones you don’t. You dint get to cherrypick with your vote.
Thats how you have people who tell you theyre not racist voting for Reform, people who are Remainers voting conservatives, those believing in sex rather than gender voting Labour etc….

And the reality is that we all need to make those trade offs. The issue is when people get blind to the consequences or think they can Cherry pick/choose

My guess is lack of education (as in educating yourself. Through books, not TikTok). It's very sad.

Clutching are straws is stupid.. Anyone who votes for an awful set of people who will.make their lives worse .....anyone who cant join the dots and.doesnt look into things......is naive and quite possibly stupid IMO. ..There are so many signs that the Reform party and the charactrrs in it are out ro get rich and shaft everyone that I have no time for anyone who is daft enough ro fall for it.

It always ends badly with populist parties. Read the fucking history books. Im done . This is getting on my wick..

To people in left-behind areas, all politicians are out to get rich and shaft everyone.

Me personally, I’d have no qualms changing in the same room as a strange man whether they faced the wall or not. I appreciate I’d be an anomaly though, and when I was in my 20s I probably would have thought differently. I’m rather adept at changing under a towel now (used to surf a lot and just change on the beach).

I am in total agreement with you on women/mothers are putting their needs above that of others not to betray “womenkind”, but to protect themselves and/or their children from men, basically.

This!

Well done, you’re proving the point of many posters in this thread - if you’re determined to write off whole swathes of the population as thick, stupid, ignorant and naive then why should they listen to you sneering at them and telling them what they should think?

Why not listen to them instead and hear what their concerns are? I can assure you, that is what Farage is doing and adjusting his policies to appeal to them. Whereas Labour leadership are just reclining in horror at these poor, disenfranchised people and their “wrong” opinions. We guess what, Farage (and Trump) worked out their votes counted for just as much as yours.

Poltics in the UK is in the throes of a reorganisation, with the Right appealing to the working class and the Left appealing to the middle class. The disenfranchised remain disenfranchised and vulnerable to any populist that appear to take them seriously.

And Labour have hardly covered themselves in glory since they got in either.

I find this interesting.

I have 2 children with SEN and disabilities. Most of their education was under a Tory government but provision will be reduced by Labour. They want to make the EHCP harder to get not easier and to significantly reduce the number of children on EHCP.

Yet we were led to believe that Labour would provide better outcomes for SEN children in the run up to the general election.

But I'm guessing this doesn't fit your narrative.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2vn950d5go

Well done, you’re proving the point of many posters in this thread - if you’re determined to write off whole swathes of the population as thick, stupid, ignorant and naive then why should they listen to you sneering at them and telling them what they should think?

Lessons have never been learnt.

We had all of this during the Brexit campaign.

Calling people thick/ fascist/ nazi [insert insult] because they don't agree with you is never a vote winner.

I haven't said any of these things to or about you? I've made some very general comments about the thread in general NOT IN REPLY TO YOU OR ABOUT YOU. I've made one post where I've asked you to clarify something you've mentioned. One sentence. I really have no idea where you've extrapolated some of those comments into being a personal attack or engagement.

There's a lot of disingenuousness, fallacies and motte-and-bailey on this thread. It's dull.

Yes it is

You’re not wrong OP! A lot of people will vote Reform despite knowing that it will end the free at use NHS and we will have to go to an insurance based system and also will likely have less employment rights too. Farage has always voted against workers rights. He is also against DEI and women are a big beneficiary of DEI policies.

These are the same people who will raise go fund me’s when it becomes obvious they can’t afford the health insurance premiums.

I look at the ones who are protesting (a lot of the men who have DV convictions) and I think a lot of the appeal of Reform and conservative values are that these men can blame someone for their shit lives, and if women have little rights, well they will have to stay and put up and shut up with these similarly shit men.

Exactly

It’s beyond frustrating that nearly 10 years later we’re still pointing this out and people are still not listening. There’s a theme there.

Yes because smashing up Trafalgar Square or whatever it was and listening to Tommy Robinson and Elon Musk is incredibly intellectual behaviour, isnt it.

You don't get it.

It doesn't matter if the truth is that they are stupid.

What matters is that if they see on the one hand you saying they should do what you say or vote for who you tell them to because they are too stupid to realise what's best for them, and the other guy tells them they are really smart and right about everything and the only reason things seem pretty shit for them now is because of people like you who think they are too stupid to be worth bothering about, who do you think they will vote for?

I do get it.

Someone has severe arthritis in their legs and is in agony in years to come for years because they cant get knee replacements from NHS because it has been dismantled by Reform snd they can't afford to pay insurance . They knew it would be like this snd yet they stubborny and self- sabotagingly voted for Reform coz they didnt appreciate being 'told what to think by the likes of me'...........It's the same.mentality as a teenager doing something dangerous or daft just to spite their parents.....in my book there is only one word for that...STUPIDITY

The peaceful.march of oppressed blacks in 60s America wasn't stupid . Martin Luther King's response ro oppression wasnt violent..

Ghandi's opposition to British rule wasnt violent. That is the way to fight oppression. Wrecking London and listening to Musk snd Robinson is stupid and will get them nowhere ultimately..

The point I'm making is that stupidity has to be called out.

And the point I'm making is that "calling it out" is performative and pointless. It might make you feel better but it will make the problems you are worried about worse.

What do you think can be done to change what's happening?

It isnt performative at all. If you can't label what is happening you are in trouble.. There is law. You have to offer choice of parties with strong leadership which explains the truth of what will happen if Reform gets into office. Evidence and explanation of how it all adds up.and the deceit that is going on now...... the fact that ppl are being sold a lie. I believe that will come.

Now that is more useful. Focus on the lie, explain why it's a lie and offer alternatives. Don't just tell people they are too stupid to know what's good for them and expect that that will somehow?make them do what you want.

Do you think the other parties have strong leadership now? Are they sending the message that needs to be sent in a way that is going to work?

Why are you asking me all these questions. Who are you. Morgan McSweeney. ? 😂😂😂 Yes, Im kmpressed by new leaderships emerging. There is hope.

Yes. Exhibit 1: FWR is up to Thread 4 in support of Graham Linehan. They also raise funds for him and promote his books.