To be alarmed at the number of women who are throwing support behind causes that are clearly anti-woman?

[DorothyGaleFromKansas]

With the recent threads about flags/immigrants and Charlie Kirk etc, there seem to be a bewildering number of women supporting causes that directly go against their own interests, and it’s baffling and frankly a bit disturbing.

Reform have voted against tougher laws on stalking, sexual harassment and upskirting, against clamping down on revenge porn, and against further protections in the workplace. Farage cited Andrew Tate as “an important voice for men”.

Then you have Trump, who was found to have committed rape, forced himself into changing rooms where teenagers were undressing, made sexual comments about his own daughter, not to mention 34 other felonies, and that’s before we even get to the Epstein files.

Charlie Kirk said that women should only vote if they were voting for the candidate chosen by their husband, that women shouldn’t go on to higher education unless it was to find a husband, that women should have to submit to their husbands, and that little girls as young as 9 or 10 including his own daughters should be forced to give birth to babies conceived as a result of rape.

What has happened to us that there are so many women willing to endorse attitudes like this? And how do we fix it?! How have we sunk so low that there are women who think this is what we all deserve? It’s terrifying.

@PepsiMaxCherryAddict Great post. You can see all this playing out in threads like this.

Nah I see that you previously misspoke.

You can't defame the dead.

'For the most he talked sense.' I'd love to see your evidence for that. Much of what he said was racist and misogynistic nonsense.

I really didn't.

Excellent post.

Are you saying white women don’t experience racism?

It really doesn’t. I’m gender critical but I’m not stupid enough to think that one view means I should align myself to the far right.

You did and you clarified what you meant ^^.

No.

HTH.

Nope. I was correcting the interpretation of it by the previous PP.

I think women sink low by accepting a narrative that we are just an identity and that men can be women if they say so.

If women means 'any person who says so' then there is no such thing as women's rights.

The left call women bigots for questioning this narrative which is why so many left leaning women are now politically homeless.

This doesn't mean that women align with the right BUT many of us are sick of being silenced on this issue therefore defend the right of others to have differing opinions and condemn those who seek to shut down conversation/ debate on important issues. I think you are confusing this with women supporting right wing beliefs.

I actually think the anti trans issue has become so ingrained and polarising that some women will literally support the most anti abortion, trad wife, alt right misogynists against their own interests as long as there are trans people who get their rights taken away too.

I mean most women who fear trans people have never even really met one in person but they would side with the most vile misogynistic men on the planet (who most of us have encountered in some form) over the issue. These men really have managed to scapegoat trans women for actual male violence and got some of us to support our own oppressors.

I actually find it quite terrifying.

So clarifying what you meant.

Thanks.

You're confused. It doesn't go againts our interests, we're white first then women. That is what we are supporting our race

@UsernameMcUsername I also know some women who are against abortion or believe in it only in exceptional circumstances etc, but dont like to state their views because they will be accused of being anti women or sexist. They are shut down by other women for expressing an opinion because it doesn't align with a typical female perspective. I also have some views on this that don't align with the majority and and I keep it quiet too, it upsets me that other women think they can speak for me but yet they rage against men for doing the same thing.

@5128gap such a good point re privilege, I never thought of it that way before but I think its spot on.

What does hth mean?

Hope that helps @purplehearts22

I think you said drenched in porn and I didn't remember that.

'Hope that helps' - occasionally used genuinely, often used passive-aggressively.

I said that the society that Offred recalls was drenched in porn. She and her mother go on a march where they burn porn magazines. I did not say the book The Handmaid's Tale had 'all the porn.'.

Are you genuinely saying you haven't seen open celebration about the shooting? I certainly have. Violent rhetoric is completely normalised in many online communities and both the left and right and has been for years.

I don't mean specifically poltical communities either. Fandoms, hobbyists, anywhere people who self-identify as intelligent enough to chat about poltics and the new du jour as well as their main topic really.

FKAT’s post was clear. Offred spends a lot of time in the book musing about life before, but a comparison on that is the anarchy of the free-for-all society before Gilead to the unformed, authorities society of Gilead. FKAT does say Offred ‘wondered’ which suggests thinking about, not experiencing in real time.

Atwood writes a lot of dystopian novels but generally her pre-apocalypse worlds are always marginally more extreme versions of the one we life in (or rather some of the more extreme areas of the Western world) and the dangers they provide (to women in particular).

Some will support part of CK's views without agreeing with his views on women. It just doesn't follow that because you agree with some ideals, you support all.

I just love the hypocrisy of these posts. No women supporting more right wing politics are not “lacking knowledge” , they are not “manipulated by men.

Being anti immigration is not racist. Only really idiotic people would not be able to distinguish the two concepts.

I wonder why women supporting left wing politics, A side who in recent years has wanted to stick male rapists in close confinement with women in women’s prisons. Refused to believe women who have been raped and put their needs behind those of men. Have refused to investigate the organised rape and trafficking of young girls. Have supported terrorist agendas. Have refused to back women who didn’t want a naked man on their changing rooms.

The left wing whose economics have removed many low and part time jobs from the market place. Whose economics have deliberately targets children part way through their education for in many to change schools.
A party who have attacked benefits for many being cared for by female relatives,

The left hate women - I can’t believe so many women are taken on by it.