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Havetoagree · 2025-09-11T20:28:21+00:00

Just that really? I hadn’t and wondering if I’m the only one. And why is it such a big story? I guess the association with trump. What would be the equivalent level of fame over here?

Chambala · 12/09/2025 08:10

TheJoyOfWriting · 12/09/2025 08:09

I hope by 'family values' you don"/ mean you are against gay rights. That's how it is often used in US. Ofc it has other meanings too!

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Don't be a dick, attempting to twist things to imply something I've not even said.

Butchyrestingface · 12/09/2025 08:11

TheJoyOfWriting · 12/09/2025 08:08

Interesting also that he was happy for turning point to be sponsored by a sex offender against underage girl, bc he was 'a good man who did something bad years ago and is sorry.'

You'd think he would have advocated the death penalty instead, given he said watching a public executions shoyld be an initiation.

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Money talks. And presumably the sponsor had plenty of it.

If one is able to go to bat for Donald “grab ‘em by the pussy” Trump, they can probably tolerate just about anything.

TheJoyOfWriting · 12/09/2025 08:12

Chambala · 12/09/2025 08:10

Don't be a dick, attempting to twist things to imply something I've not even said.

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I'm not saying you must mean that. I was asking if you did. Forgot to put question mark, I am sorry.

As I said, I've seen it used to indicate that, and to indicate quite different things, I was curious to know what you meant it to indicate. It's fine if you don't want to discuss.

YourLemonTiger · 12/09/2025 08:14

BellissimoGecko · 12/09/2025 07:48

As for the idea that he wanted to debate ideas… I have watched some of his ‘debating’ this morning and what it seemed to consist of was shouting down the woman he was debating with, not letting her finish, and telling her she shouldn’t have sex before marriage. (Debate was about abortion). Typical mansplaining. He had some abhorrent, extremist, misogynistic views.

I think most posters (including myself) on here agree he had some pretty terrible views. He still didn't deserve to be murdered.

RingoJuice · 12/09/2025 08:14

Chocolatebiscuit90 · 12/09/2025 07:41

The thing is, I don’t think these conversations DO need to happen. Are guns bad? Yes, common sense. We don’t need to debate them and keep them (they are banned here). Should men and women have equal rights? Yes they should. Is racism bad? Oh, so bad. Should women be able to have abortions? Yes, it’s healthcare.

WE DON’T NEED TO DEBATE THIS STUFF. He was an extremist. I cannot fathom why anyone except a white man who felt a bit powerless and wanted to steal a bit more power from someone else would want to go along with the horror he spouted.

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There plenty that’s debatable within these broad categories. But leftists want to shut down any discussion, as per.

Dramatic · 12/09/2025 08:14

Sodukuchess · 12/09/2025 07:59

For those of you who 'respected' him how do you condone the fact that he advocated stoning gays and also said dozens of other deplorable things including racist comments?

I don't for one second agree with what happened but we can't forget the disgraceful things he believed and said just because of his murder.

I can only assume those people agree wholeheartedly with his views

Flatbellyfella · 12/09/2025 08:16

Never heard of him before , anything connected to Trump & his crazy world is bad news.

itsnotagameshow · 12/09/2025 08:16

Chambala · 12/09/2025 08:07

The murder of Charlie Kirk, a father to two young daughters, is what the radical left’s demonisation of anyone who doesn’t share their warped, woke views leads to: i.e. the political assassination of a man who was engaging in political DEBATE. The radical left couldn’t win the argument with Kirk so they silenced him. Same as they always do, silence, cancel, censor, smear, misrepresent, and now this.

Perhaps the likes of people some on here condoning this action (I read the abhorrent comments the other night), and those branding Farage and Reform as a Fascist, and calling for him and his supporters to be strung up, cancelled, jailed, etc. should ponder on that for a second?

Let us also not forget that our own Prime Minister branded people who were upset about small girls being stabbed to death as far right thugs. The left doubled down on this and they then used the judicial system to punish anyone who stepped out of line.

The left seem to have become so far separated from the fundamental Christian and family values that gave us the very freedom and tolerance, that until recently, we used to enjoy here in the West, that I really wonder where this is all heading?

I have always struggled to understand the shift in leftist mindset. The people of free love and freedom of expression in the 60’s and 70’s who I could relate to, seems to have morphed into a bunch of people projecting (what they perceive to be) their virtuousness and moral superiority, yet underneath is a seething hatred of those who do not share their beliefs.

I guess the people who put their life on the line for Britain during two world wars, to give us our hard-won freedom, must now be turning in their graves to see what has become of the ungrateful and frankly anti-British left wing establishment who seem intent on wrecking everything that our brave soldiers once fought for. Anyone who voted for the traitorous Labour party, or who does not unconditionally condemn this awful murder, should be utterly ashamed of yourselves IMO.

Bot bingo! And if you aren't one, you have been radicalised.

MasterBeth · 12/09/2025 08:17

Underthinker · 12/09/2025 07:57

I have seen the "black women do not have brain processing power" quote, several times on MN and elsewhere over the last few days. Can you back up this quote? When I tried to research it, all I found was a video of him insulting 4 specific black women, not great but quite different from the generalised racist statement it has been made out to be.
If it is indeed false, do you agree that fabricating or repeating fabricated quotes about a recently murdered man is unethical?

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You are being disingenuous if this is the video you are referring to:

www.instagram.com/reel/DOcVFsTDA3U/?igsh=MTAzanVlbjB5aGRmcQ==

He does, indeed, refer to four specific black women here in detailing his argument about affirmative action, but his whole argument is an inherently racist trope used by racists to justify their racism.

Kirk was a white supremacist. Not just a casual racist, but someone who believed the US was in a better place before the civil rights movement.

RingoJuice · 12/09/2025 08:17

Dramatic · 12/09/2025 08:14

I can only assume those people agree wholeheartedly with his views

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Upthread I address this total and complete lie about him advocating for stoning gays. He did no such thing. Even viewing the clip it came from (iirc @TheJoyOfWriting posted it) should disabuse you of this.

As I’ve said, it’s a demented game of Telephone you are playing here. It’s not OK

Chambala · 12/09/2025 08:18

TheJoyOfWriting · 12/09/2025 08:12

I'm not saying you must mean that. I was asking if you did. Forgot to put question mark, I am sorry.

As I said, I've seen it used to indicate that, and to indicate quite different things, I was curious to know what you meant it to indicate. It's fine if you don't want to discuss.

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Nope you're intent on misrepresenting what was said, same as the radical left always do. It's misrepresentation like this extrapolated, that gets a father of two murdered.

Locutus2000 · 12/09/2025 08:18

Bruminbrum · 12/09/2025 07:50

Everything he ever said on race and dei

refer to his comment about the black pilot

and how black woman do not have brain processing power

he also hated women or are you going to pretend he didn’t do that either

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Nice summary of the heroic martyr here.

Charlie Kirk’s Toxic Legacy of Hatred and Division | Common Dreams

We can condemn political violence and this hideous murder while also condemning Charlie Kirk for the rotten, vile hatred he fomented.

https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/charlie-kirk-legacy

KhakiTiger · 12/09/2025 08:18

babyproblems · 12/09/2025 07:02

@KhakiTiger I don’t think this makes any of it ok at all. I find that a very very low bar tbh!!

What, having an opinion is a low bar? Spoke like a true leftie.

Butchyrestingface · 12/09/2025 08:20

YourLemonTiger · 12/09/2025 08:14

I think most posters (including myself) on here agree he had some pretty terrible views. He still didn't deserve to be murdered.

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As predicted in my post of 07:52, just like clockwork. 😂

Chambala · 12/09/2025 08:20

Locutus2000 · 12/09/2025 08:18

Nice summary of the heroic martyr here.

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Hated women, but had a supportive wife and a young daughter. Errr okay then. Are you out of your tiny mind?

Locutus2000 · 12/09/2025 08:20

Chambala · 12/09/2025 08:18

Nope you're intent on misrepresenting what was said, same as the radical left always do. It's misrepresentation like this extrapolated, that gets a father of two murdered.

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You just can't see the irony of your statement.

Chambala · 12/09/2025 08:20

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Locutus2000 · 12/09/2025 08:21

Chambala · 12/09/2025 08:20

Hated women, but had a supportive wife and a young daughter. Errr okay then. Are you out of your tiny mind?

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You are replying to the wrong person.

TheJoyOfWriting · 12/09/2025 08:21

Chambala · 12/09/2025 08:18

Nope you're intent on misrepresenting what was said, same as the radical left always do. It's misrepresentation like this extrapolated, that gets a father of two murdered.

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I am not. I wanted to ascertain what you meant as I've seen that phrase used to mean various things. If you want to answer, or prefer not to, that is up to you.

That is not the same as stating someone holds a position that they do not hold.

Locutus2000 · 12/09/2025 08:21

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Oh dear.

MorningLarkEchoes · 12/09/2025 08:21

Yes I had. I’m in my 40s. I don’t agree with some of what he said, but do agree with a lot of the options he shared. He was intelligent and respectful, always. He didn’t deserve this. All the people gloating and making disrespectful comments about his death are basically demonstrating how vile some parts of the left have become.

Allbacktoschool · 12/09/2025 08:21

I had never heard of him but my 15 year old knew of him.

Butchyrestingface · 12/09/2025 08:22

Allbacktoschool · 12/09/2025 08:21

I had never heard of him but my 15 year old knew of him.

What did they think of him?

Locutus2000 · 12/09/2025 08:22

Some real master debaters here.

EasternStandard · 12/09/2025 08:22

Chocolatebiscuit90 · 12/09/2025 07:41

The thing is, I don’t think these conversations DO need to happen. Are guns bad? Yes, common sense. We don’t need to debate them and keep them (they are banned here). Should men and women have equal rights? Yes they should. Is racism bad? Oh, so bad. Should women be able to have abortions? Yes, it’s healthcare.

WE DON’T NEED TO DEBATE THIS STUFF. He was an extremist. I cannot fathom why anyone except a white man who felt a bit powerless and wanted to steal a bit more power from someone else would want to go along with the horror he spouted.

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You can’t close down every conversation so you only hear back what you think.