Mumsnet censorship

[anonymouselephantx]

Mumsnet has been deleting any comment at all that criticises Charlie Kirk... just because he has died does not mean he is infallible. He is still an evil person who did and said evil things, contributed to so much suffering of families at the hands of ICE etc., mocked the Palestinians undergoing a genocide? Mumsnet, disturbing much? I had to get MN by email to delete a thread of mine as I was getting bullied and people were making personal attacks against me (the talk guidelines say personal attacks will be deleted, yet I had to BEG for this), but they are censoring anything anyone says about Charlie Kirk? Why are we not allowed to have freedom of speech and freedom to debate, especially when it is someone who did and said SO MUCH EVIL!

I've just heard Trump say "he was the best of America". You decide.

Who is ‘pretending that Charlie Kirk was a nice person’? Has that actually happened? Who is saying that you now have to agree with his opinions or that you need to pretend his opinions were pleasant. Any examples of this?

Nobody is suggesting you do need to agree with his opinions though. What people are horrified at is individuals celebrating the mindless assassination of a man for speaking his mind, whether you agreed with those opinions or not.

I didn't agree with a lot of his views. Some of the arguments he made I thought were valid. However, what I did always see was a young man voicing his opinion in a non aggressive manner, well thought out and articulate and generally calm and respectful. I can appreciate those elements without having to agree with his views.

What we do need to do is to agree that a man being killed for his views is wrong. They weren't actions, they were opinions, nothing more.

The issue in this thread is that the OP seems to think that his killing is justified because she didn't like his viewpoint and that his wife and kids should just suck it up because they're obviously awful people as well. It's abhorrent

Or, indeed, "if you disagree with me you're a far-left extremist".

Never said I am happy about it. I just am not sad. I do not care. Millions die on a daily basis.

People can decide. That’s the whole fucking point. And shouldn’t be shot dead for it in front of his wife and two young children.

@Worktillate you seem to be very sure of the motives of the killer. Do you have inside information?

I did neither of those things. I am just not sad. I am allowed to feel indifferent.

I’m pretty centre-left but even I’m starting to have sympathy with the view that a lot of people on the left are just outright nasty pieces of work.

I didn’t agree with most of what Charlie Kirk had to say. I found some of it quite abhorrent. But hey, that’s freedom of speech - you can’t say freedom of speech so long as you only say things I like.

He certainly didn’t deserve to be shot dead for his views, and even if you disagree, you surely can’t condone the rise of political violence.

Whats your point?

Trumps an arsehole.

I strongly disagreed with the vast majority of Charlie Kirks views.

He didnt deserve to be killed for his views.

'You lot would tell people to have compassion if Hitler was alive today and was killed. Why would I care that he has a family'

'You lot'? Do you not think comparing him to Hitler is rather hysterical and unkind?

You don't have to care for anyone, you seem very proud that you don't. Well done you.

I’m not celebrating his death, I’m simply not mourning it. There’s a big difference.
Charlie Kirk spent his career pushing ideas that hurt people and defending policies that increased harm- including saying that gun deaths were an “acceptable cost” and that empathy is a weakness. If that’s the standard he set for others, I don’t see why I need to apply a different one to him.
I’m allowed to feel indifferent when someone who actively worked against the rights and dignity of others is no longer here. That’s not “celebrating,” it’s just choosing not to grieve. I don’t have to mourn every person who dies, especially if they built their legacy on causing pain.
What I find ironic is that when victims of shootings or systemic injustice die, he showed no empathy... he used those deaths to defend guns or attack policies he didn’t like. Yet suddenly people expect me to extend empathy toward him. I don’t see why I’m obliged to do what he himself dismissed.

This is such a primitive (and emotional) way of engaging with the political process.

Voting for a platform, not because you agree with it but because of people writing things you disagree with online.

So odd.

Reminds me when I was in Oz and people saying they were going to vote against marriage equality because they thought the pro-equality canpaign were mean to them.

Very odd.

He shouldn't have been shot. No one should be shot! Ever! That's kinda the whole point though isn't it? A 2nd amendment extremist shot down by the very thing he campaigned for. I won't offend his memory by pointing out the common sense of gun control. He wouldn't want that. And at least the precious 2nd amendment will remain intact. He will find peace in that. Madmen will continue to walk into schools with AR15s and gun down children. All worth it though, to uphold civilian rights.

RIP Charlie and I do sincerely hope his family can find some peace.

How do you come to that conclusion @GasperyJacquesRoberts ?

A man known for elements of controversy as a result of his viewpoints is shot in a public space where some of those elements of controversy are likely to arise. A shooting that is very accurate from distance? I think the hypothesis as to how/why this occurred would seem fairly logical and is an opinion shared by millions of people worldwide.

But in answer to your question, yes of course I am sure of the motives of the killer and have inside information. I am a member of the secret service scouting mumsnet for information 🙄

I do care deeply. I care about Palestinians, immigrants, women, minorities, and all the people whose lives and rights Kirk actively worked against. That’s exactly why I don’t feel the need to mourn him. He didn’t show care or empathy for those communities, in fact he spent his career undermining them.
So it’s not that I lack compassion altogether, it’s that my compassion is directed at people who need it, not at someone who used his platform to make life harder for others.

He was an activist for some controversial and extremist views.

Regardless of that, he shouldn't have been shot dead. His children, his wife and the bystanders at the event have to live with the trauma of what they saw, forever. We have no idea as to the motive of the person (or organisation) behind it, either, so conjecture around which political faction, belief system, or ideology they may have subscribed to is pointless, inflammatory and just feeds into the febrile atmosphere.

You can be violent through words. He advocated for the banning of abortion, the continuation of gun rights and said he believed gay people should be stoned to death. Saying that calmly doesn’t change the actual words.

If you genuinely feel so indifferent about it, why even feel the need to make a post saying so in the first place? You clearly had a reason for doing so. Oh, and you also mention Karma in one of your other posts on this thread, which hardly points at you feeling ‘indifferent’ 🙄

So what did you mean when you said "karma is a bitch"?

You don't need to mourn him hun.

Just stop calling him 'evil', it is not a good look and rather contrary for someone who allegedly 'cares deeply'.

If you can't be civil then perhaps better to say nothing at all in such horrific circumstances.

I'd never heard of him tbh but the clips I've seen on rolling news programmes today do not show an 'evil' character in the slightest.

You can’t be violent though words.

Words are not violence.

Violence (like being shot in the neck) is violence.

Why are you trying to equate them?

My post is about mumsnet censorship. I am allowed to voice my indifference....

To be crystal clear we have no idea who killed him or why.

From what I have read it was certainly by a professional. Let the conspiracy theories commence.

They really haven't @anonymouselephantx some posts have celebrated his death or mocked it. There are lots of posts that are critical of him and those are still showing.