Children having their own seat on a packed train.

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I am on a packed train. A child who is about 3 years old is sat in their own seat and not on the parents lap, would you ask to sit down and the child sits on parents lap? People were standing.
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No, you are adding caveats. You asked which would lead to the most comfort overall. Two people sitting in seats and one standing, or two people uncomfortably sharing one seat with a high risk of an upset child making their discomfort known plus another person sitting next to them likely getting kicked as the three-year old wriggles.

The fact you think a tired upset three year old is ‘badly behaved’ says it all,

Why are you deeming yourself more important than the 3 year old?

I agree it will depend.

But you are only putting forward the pessimistic scenario.

It could well turn out that a tired three year old falls asleep and the two adults sit comfortably.

Also, the seated adult who have had to stand feels reassured that not everyone else in the world is behaving selfishly and only looking out for themselves.

Well, expecting to steal a 3 year old's seat isn't having much regard for them.

Stealing a 3 year old's seat is behaving selfishly though.

How am I deeming myself more important than the 3 year old.

You've decided their seat should be your seat.

Having a three stone deadweight on your lap is not comfortable.

Isn't it amazing how some posters on here are calling others selfish, when that's exactly what they're trying to be? Demanding a seat already occupied by a small and more vulnerable human.

No. Their seat has been paid for. As an adult id offer you my seat if you were older, disabled, struggling with something.

So you think it fine to instruct vulnerable people to do things if it makes you happier because they are smaller and have less autonomy?

If my child was not provided with a seat I would resent paying for one to be honest. If they didn’t have to pay for a seat I’d be happy with them sharing mine.

Maybe the train company should offer this as an option? Free rail travel for children who don’t have their own seat. Sounds fair to me

It's absolutely unreasonable to expect a 3 year old to relinquish a seat just because another adult feels entitled to it.
It's uncomfortable for the child and the parent they have to sit on, and unsafe.
I understand exactly the point you're trying to make, but I vehemently disagree with the entitled attitude.
HTH

Again, I don't think you have a grasp of what you are talking about here.

I am not the stranger in this scenario. I am the three year olds' parent. I am not demanding the three year olds seat. I am offering to sacrifice some of my comfort - and instructing my 3 year old to sacrifice a little of their comfort - to help a stranger in need

It seems so.
He/she also seems to think English isn't my first language because I don't subscribe to his/her ridiculous entitlement.

I think people clearly differ on how comfortable they find having a child on their lap.

For me, it's completely different having a child on my lap on a sofa where I can spread my legs uut a bit and there is more space for the child's legs and elbows and doing it in an upright train seat, trying not to encroach on the person next to me.

It also makes it much harder to entertain the child with a book or whatever

Presumably you’d be happy if someone ‘instructed’ you to use your lap as a seat for a three year old?

personally I wouldn’t have wanted to use my own lap for that purpose when my children were three but it’s great you think it’s so reasonable. Maybe you could have a little badge saying so.

Even worse, that you're willing to put a random able bodied stranger before your poor child.
The overall point is the same though, saying children matter less than adults, and that is utterly depressing.

PS: It helps to tag or quote who you're responding to.

I don’t believe you are the parent of a three year old if you think getting overtired is misbehaving. Or if you are then I pity the three year old.

It's also the fact that people are demanding it or saying it's lack of manners not to. It's actually lack of manners to demand someone else's seat.

Again, you seem incapable of comprehending what's being suggested without adding emotive language to twisty the reality of the hypothetical situation.

No adult in my scenario feels "entitled" to the three year olds seat. The seat is being offered to the stranger unconditionally.

No, I comprehend exactly what you're saying!
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I just do not agree with your approach - which essentially boils down to adults being more deserving of seats than children.

Yes because why don’t you give your own seat up then if you are so nice?

How do they equate nice with forcing a child out of their seat?