Children having their own seat on a packed train.

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I am on a packed train. A child who is about 3 years old is sat in their own seat and not on the parents lap, would you ask to sit down and the child sits on parents lap? People were standing.
Thank you

Gosh, thanks for telling me what the thread is about, I had no idea.

Doesn't change my viewpoint and I've already made it abundantly clear.

But you changed the issue to frame it about people who aren’t able to stand which isn’t in any way what the debate was about. I’m not sure why it was relevant.

The claims were made when someone says that a parent’s needs to inconvenience themselves by putting their child on their lap when the child should be able to have a seat of their own. If I’ve paid for a seat for my child to sit, I don’t see why I should have to give that seat up for an able bodied adult to have it.m on grounds of respect for adults or such like.

Have you not RTFT then?

It's relevant because a lot of pps are banging on about 'able-bodied' adults seeming not to want to acknowledge that we can never know if someone is able-bodied or not.

Ergo, for someone of any age to offer someone a seat who may not be able-bodied even if they look it is a nice thing to do.

But the same could be true of the parent and the child. That’s my point. There may be very good reasons why a parent doesn’t want to put a child on their lap

It sounds as though OP wasn't struggling to stand though, she just wanted a child's seat.

I do agree that it's about reading the situation and people can be terrible at it in 'real life' too because a lot of the time, it is really hard to tell. As I've said on previous comments, a man barked at my 10 year old to stand up so he could sit down and then rolled his eyes when I said that he can't and pointed to the folded up wheelchair and said it was my son's.

Which some people aren't considering the other way around and that's my point.

My child can't physically stand, at all. Not even for 1 second. According to some on this thread, on a packed train, he'd be judged for not standing up for an adult with no thought to the fact that he might not be able bodied himself.

Or the parent can't put her 3 year old on her lap because she's recovering from abdo surgery

Or the 3 year old is autistic and is much more settled in her own seat.

Many, many reasons why it might not be possible but some people are jumping straight to blaming bad parenting.

I'm sorry that happened to you. That bloke sounds the very definition of entitled!

I'm sorry to hear about your daughters tonic clonic seizures too, I can't imagine how terrifying that must be. I hope that medication can keep them stable but I know that unfortunately isn't always the case.

It may come as a shock, but my kid is more important to me than you are.

I’d’ve told you to drop dead. No pandering from me.

But according to many people I shouldn't as you can't possibly tell by looking at me. So it's the same for many other adults who are left standing while a toddler takes up a seat

if you need a seat, you can ask another adult if they could give it up as you need to sit down though. Why would the toddler need to give up their seat?

If you have paid for it then fine.

. Because the toddler can sit on a parents lap .

We are going running circles- how do you know this? How do you know there isn’t a reason why the toddler needs a seat to themselves? How do you know that the parent might have a condition that means they can’t have the toddler on their lap. If that parent has deliberately booked and paid for a seat because they know their toddler is super wriggly and might have a tantrum, why do they have to give it up rather than an able bodied adult who can happily stand?

Lots of people on here seem to think that it’s a respect thing so a child should automatically give the seat up to an adult that needs it regardless of the seat having been paid for.

No one said that a PAID FOR seat has to be given up. The majority of toddlers aren't paid for though

Perhaps everyone on the train should be charged from a year old then that fact they travel free won't be an issue

rheu have - they have said it’s about respect. Children should give seats up because children should defer to adults.

the elderly also get free travel on the tube - should they have to give up their seats for people who have paid for travel. I think you get freedom passes when you are 60 these days and many 60 year olds don’t have any health or mobility issues. Why should they get a free seat and not be made to give it up?

The elderly have paid for travel on buses. Not on trains The local council pays the bus company for their trips

Freedom passes i think are only in London

The toddler isn't 'taking up' a seat, they're sitting in it as anyone else would.

And the circle continues.....read the existing replies before blanket stating this!

How do you know that?

Another reason why the uk has lost its family culture.

Children are humans. Vulnerable ones, to add.

Whilst I would get up for a child unless they were really small and I could see them and/or parents were struggling. I wouldn’t expect a child that is sitting to give up their seat for me as an able bodied person - unless, like most have said, I have those seats reserved.

Thank you so much. Yes, she’s been on medication since June and I haven’t witnessed any seizures since then.