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Teacher told my child that child is not a Muslim

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Jkam24 · 10/09/2025 20:45

My daughter has recently started reception and asked me today if our family are Muslims, to which I said yes. She then started crying saying her teacher told her that she (my daughter) is not a Muslim. Is it unreasonable to be angry about this?

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Hotflushesandchilblains · 11/09/2025 20:45

Livelovebehappy · 11/09/2025 20:38

Or maybe, rather than going in all guns blazing, OP could just have a calm unconfrontational conversation with the teacher. Because she’s going to feel a bit twatty if she finds out the whole conversation was taken out of context, or didn’t happen at all. Just a thought…..

  1. You can have a calm conversation while setting a boundary. No one suggested it be done aggressively.
  2. It was not a misunderstanding, the teacher has confirmed she said a child could not have a religion. Whatever religion you follow, lots of parents would be very unhappy about this comment.
BloominNora · 11/09/2025 20:53

Champagneandpringles24 · 11/09/2025 20:16

My point is THIS IS ENGLAND

Yes - and before the Brexit nonsense when the racists lunatics took over the asylum, England was perceived as a tolerant multi-cultural society and quite a few of us would like that to be the case again!

The long journey of religious tolerance in this country started informally with Elizabeth 1st's 'Middle Way' in the 16th century, the readmittance of Jews in the 1650s and was first formalised by the 1689 Toleration Act.

From then on religious tolerance gradually increased until Catholic and non-christian religions gained formal emancipation in the 19th century.

In short, since the creation of the church of England, the country has been increasingly tolerant for significantly more time than it has been intolerant!

Perhaps if that is something you don't like then you should leave 🤷‍♀️

Jaws2025 · 11/09/2025 20:54

Fishplates · 11/09/2025 20:28

Are you serious ?

the 2021 census showed Christianity was no longer the largest faith in the UK.

also you’ve seemed to have missed the fact that there are lot of British Muslims here - people born here.

just because they are Muslim does not make them any less British.

your point about putting your kids in a school in Turkey is ridiculous - British state schools are for everyone who lives here, that’s the entire point of a state school.

How did the census show Christianity was the largest faith?
(Editing to say "wasn't")

BloominNora · 11/09/2025 20:58

Jaws2025 · 11/09/2025 20:54

How did the census show Christianity was the largest faith?
(Editing to say "wasn't")

Edited

Think she meant majority - it's still the largest faith but it is no longer the majority as it is under 50%. The majority is now something other than Christianity or no religion.

By the next census, it is highly likely that no religion will be the biggest group

VaccineSticker · 11/09/2025 21:25

Jkam24 · 11/09/2025 12:12

Teacher said she did say it because she doesn't think children can have a religion. I didn't say much but will have a think on how to move forward - it's ok for her to think that but not for her to say it, but I am not looking to get her into trouble, rather to clarify that stating this out loud to a child is beyond her position.

To the rest of you - learn to articulate yourself without prejudices and swearing as you've just proved the point that such views exist. I wonder why people think it's ok to speak to people like shit and whether they would think it's ok to speak to someone in the same way face to face!

Edited

Teacher is out of line. It’s like she’s missed a chuck of her training somewhere.

Mischance · 11/09/2025 21:29

It is most likely to be a misunderstanding on the part of your daughter ... she is only 4 after all ... a lot of what adults say makes little sense to them.

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 11/09/2025 22:35

I voted you’re unreasonable only because it didn’t happen. Speak to the teacher and get the real story.

godmum56 · 11/09/2025 22:36

Mischance · 11/09/2025 21:29

It is most likely to be a misunderstanding on the part of your daughter ... she is only 4 after all ... a lot of what adults say makes little sense to them.

teacher has confirmed that she said it

godmum56 · 11/09/2025 22:36

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 11/09/2025 22:35

I voted you’re unreasonable only because it didn’t happen. Speak to the teacher and get the real story.

Teacher has confirmed that she said it

DidIForgetPEAgain · 11/09/2025 22:46

KitWyn · 11/09/2025 14:44

I also believe that children are born without any religion. But, as with language skills and gender roles, parents will choose what their children are told and what they learn as infants.

But! I would have been much more diplomatic and asked are your parents Muslim/Jewish/Catholic as appropriate. If they said yes I would say 'Then yes you are'. If they were older, say secondary school, I would add that some people will choose to change their religion or to have no religion at all once they become an adult.

Abrahamic religions have a very strong patriarchal core. They seek to control 'their' women and girls to keep them from having power or freedom over their own life choices.

I believe that Islam is, by far, the worst of the three Abrahamic religions in terms of how it treats women and girls. But people can and should decide this for themselves.

I would recommend reading the Quran to determine its 'true values'. It is available for free to download, as is the Bible and Torah, on Kindle.

Regarding the treatment of women in Islam- there’s a huge difference between cultural practices in certain countries and what Islam actually teaches. When read in context, the Quran consistently emphasizes the dignity, protection, and value of women.

For example:

  • Islam gave women inheritance rights, the right to own property, and the right to consent to marriage over 1,400 years ago, at a time when women in many parts of the world had no legal standing.
  • The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “The best of you are those who are best to their women.”
  • The Quran commands men to treat women with kindness- “Live with them in kindness. For if you dislike them -perhaps you dislike something through which Allah brings about much good.” (Quran 4:19)

Yes, interpretations can vary, and yes, patriarchy has affected religious institutions across the board- including Christianity and Judaism. But it’s misleading to call Islam “by far the worst” without acknowledging the impact of colonialism, tribal customs, and misapplication of texts that often shape what people think is Islamic law.

At its core, Islam places immense value on women- not just as daughters and mothers, but as individuals with rights, intelligence, and agency.

I’d also encourage people to read the Quran, but ideally with a reputable tafsir (exegesis) or commentary to understand it within its full context- just as we would with any ancient or religious text.

Newton161 · 11/09/2025 22:50

Religion causes way too many issues. I think keeping children out of it for as long as possible can only be a positive move.

I don’t want my DS sitting in Reception discussing religion. If people want to indoctrinate kids they can do it behind closed doors.

godmum56 · 11/09/2025 22:57

Newton161 · 11/09/2025 22:50

Religion causes way too many issues. I think keeping children out of it for as long as possible can only be a positive move.

I don’t want my DS sitting in Reception discussing religion. If people want to indoctrinate kids they can do it behind closed doors.

i don't think that is relevant. I respect your view and actually can see good arguments for it, but its not part of the job of a teacher to tell children that they have no religion or are not the same religion as their parents.

Petrolitis · 11/09/2025 22:57

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MrsSkylerWhite · 12/09/2025 10:59

Onmytod24 · 11/09/2025 10:46

You really believe there’s no Islamophobic teachers in the UK? There’s just as many in the schools as there are people on this platform.

I do find it hard to believe that someone would risk their career over something like that.

MrsSkylerWhite · 12/09/2025 11:00

BloominNora · 11/09/2025 20:53

Yes - and before the Brexit nonsense when the racists lunatics took over the asylum, England was perceived as a tolerant multi-cultural society and quite a few of us would like that to be the case again!

The long journey of religious tolerance in this country started informally with Elizabeth 1st's 'Middle Way' in the 16th century, the readmittance of Jews in the 1650s and was first formalised by the 1689 Toleration Act.

From then on religious tolerance gradually increased until Catholic and non-christian religions gained formal emancipation in the 19th century.

In short, since the creation of the church of England, the country has been increasingly tolerant for significantly more time than it has been intolerant!

Perhaps if that is something you don't like then you should leave 🤷‍♀️

Hear, hear.

marnieMiaou · 12/09/2025 11:12

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Manxexile · 12/09/2025 11:31

I'm not sure why so many posters seem to be jumping to the conclusion that the teacher must be Islamophobic and/or racist?

From what the OP has said the only conclusion(s) that can reasonably be drawn is that the teacher has an atheistic/agnostic/humanist/Dawkinsist point of view and doesn't believe (rightly or wrongly) that a 4 year old can have any religion - not just Islam

I think it can also be assumed that the teacher is a bit thick or missed out on a lot of their training.

(And before I get criticised this is only my third post on this thread and the OP "loved" my first post...)

CatrionaBalfour · 12/09/2025 11:44

Your 3rd paragraph is spot on, @Manxexile . It's absolutely baffling why any teacher would actually do this, no matter what their personal beliefs.

TheJoyOfWriting · 12/09/2025 15:59

Champagneandpringles24 · 11/09/2025 18:59

Let's not forget this IS still a Christian Country. I wouldn't go to a school in Tutkey or any other school on any other country and critise any Muslim teacher because I chose to put my child in an education system that didn't meet or suit mine or my child's needs or religion. I'd go somewhere that did 🤷🏼‍♀️

Would you be opposed to Jewish parents letting the teacher know that the child keeps kosher? Or Hindu parents saying child doesn't eat beef?

cumbriaisbest · 12/09/2025 16:23

Champagneandpringles24 · 11/09/2025 20:16

My point is THIS IS ENGLAND

I think that's a TV series isnt it?

Kohll · 12/09/2025 17:21

cumbriaisbest · 12/09/2025 16:23

I think that's a TV series isnt it?

The series followed the characters from the original film. And the film was horrifically violent and racist, so much so that Stephen Graham talks about how difficult he found it to play the role in interviews. (Without spoiling the story, his behaviour doesn't involve telling someone they aren't a particular religion!)

PurpleChrayn · 12/09/2025 17:36

My 4-year-old told me the teacher put her in a cage. They chat an awful lot of shite at that age. Just ignore.

CatrionaBalfour · 12/09/2025 17:53

PurpleChrayn · 12/09/2025 17:36

My 4-year-old told me the teacher put her in a cage. They chat an awful lot of shite at that age. Just ignore.

Read the updates. You can go on the OP and "see all" which is a quick way.

Petitchat · 12/09/2025 18:32

Manxexile · 12/09/2025 11:31

I'm not sure why so many posters seem to be jumping to the conclusion that the teacher must be Islamophobic and/or racist?

From what the OP has said the only conclusion(s) that can reasonably be drawn is that the teacher has an atheistic/agnostic/humanist/Dawkinsist point of view and doesn't believe (rightly or wrongly) that a 4 year old can have any religion - not just Islam

I think it can also be assumed that the teacher is a bit thick or missed out on a lot of their training.

(And before I get criticised this is only my third post on this thread and the OP "loved" my first post...)

Here's another "love" because I totally agree with you.
😊

cumbriaisbest · 12/09/2025 18:32

I can't understand how a teacher with 30 odd demanding children managed to have this conversation.

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