Anti immigration and England being 'racist'

[AngryBird6122]

Do people know that this is not just a UK thing? I see so many people saying they are ashamed to be british etc but this is happening the world over. And it can work both ways! I have close family in Japan and there are protests there too and they are being treated very differently - yes, white english! The right are gaining traction there too. Are the Japanese allowed to be proud of their country and fly their flags? What's people's thoughts on this?

What’s a “fighting age” man? Do “fighting age” women exist?

What is “fighting age”?

As someone with a Japanese fiance I have numerous conversations about immigration. He and his family and friends are sick to the back teeth of Kurds and Chinese. The Kurds causing many societal problems. They want them to be deported . You live in Japan you adhere to their cultural norms. Anyone living over there should not expect society to bend to their will.

In Germany too;
https://thecritic.co.uk/germany-is-acknowledging-the-unspeakable/
And Denmark;
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1mgkd93r4yo.amp

The Japanese government has a policy of rejecting asylum requests from Kurds but also doesn’t deport them, which leaves them in a legal limbo unable to work legally, get health insurance etc, get schooling for the children -
Seems as if this one might be solvable if the government actually choose to address the issue.

There are quite a few countries where similar pressures are being applied politically.

so now hate crimes and anti-Kurdish discrimination ( including from the police) is an issue.
seems racism is racism whether it’s against black peoples, Kurds, Syrians etc etc etc

Exactly. How are these under threat?

My go to answer to this is "Passive aggression and binge drinking" 😆

Being serious, though: there's a huge resurgence right now in things like British folk dancing, music, folklore, pagan festivals and interest in ancient sites like stone circles. I know some all female Morris sides, and they're totally badass!

From where I'm standing, celebrating British countryside and culture has never been stronger. And it is (or tries to be) completely inclusive.

But you never see any of the gammon flag shaggers at these events, and expressing racist or aggressive views would be very unwelcome. So I do wonder what their version of "British culture" is? Some of them bang on about being Christian, but they don't strike me as regular churchgoers.

Do you question the existence of other countries’ customs and cultures or is it just here you think doesn’t have any?

So people in the UK should be allowed to be racists because it happens in other countries?!
I think people realise that. However, you've pretty much admitted that putting up a British flag right now is a racist thing to do?

Interesting question. Mine was aimed at the fact that there apparently are these special ‘customs’ for the English - as opposed to British- so I was genuinely curious as to what they might be. I was hoping for something ore unique than ‘pub’ or Sunday roast or London taxis but seems there isn’t really anything. Guy Fawkes night - that’s deffo an English rather than British one.

ENGLISH as opposed to British. The flags going up around the cities near here are all English l, specifically, not Union flags.

To add: my suspicion is that the flag shaggers' idea of "British culture" is driving their German car to a flat roofed pub to drink copious pints of French lager and watch Saudi- owned football teams battling it out on a widescreen Japanese TV 😆

Wow that seems quite extreme. I don’t know how you go and live in Japan; do they have visas which you can get only for specific skills or offer political asylum? Everybody I know who has lived in Japan has loved it - but they’ve also come back, because the call of home is stronger.

Sorry, but I had to google kurds in Japan. It seem there are 2000 to 3000 of them. The population of Japan is 124 million! Two thousand people create lots of societal problems? Sorry, but I don´t buy it. It´s just plain xenophobia.

From what I hear the Japanese aren't racist, they are a very culturally homogenous society, their society works really well because it's homogenous and they all share the same culture. Why shouldn't they want to keep it that way?

If they are discriminating against people who are raised in Japan and blend well into the Japanese culture, purely because they have a different skin colour, that would be racism.

Yup. Racism is racism. Whether it’s here or in Alabama or Japan or Oz or wherever. The Japanese government are treating the Kurds like lepers. And there’s only a handful of them.

Maybe that's the problem. "Eng-er-land" is something imposed on the much older (and I would argue richer) British islands and culture. Go back to Friesland and Saxony where you came from! 😆

Japan is an extremely racist country, I’m not sure it’s the greatest comparison………..

I have nothing against people wanting to preserve their culture and customs (provided they’re not keeping us in the dark ages), but very often that’s just an excuse to be shitty and racist.

Op, you make a very good point. You aren’t being understood by some posters who are mentally stuck in a groove repeating media slurs ‘ thick gammon flag shaggers’ is their mantra, it shows they resort to cheap insult rather than careful thought.

it’s obvious it’s a cultural issue rather than a racial one and it is currently in a heated zone because attitudes are in Need of revision. The word ‘racism’ has been cheapened, it no longer has value or meaning.

English exist just as much as Welsh / Scottish etc even though there are British too for all

I suppose you could ask anyone if their customs / culture exists, we can generally see they do for others so it makes sense it does for us too. I don’t think we’re solely immune to having a culture.

This is strikingly odd - I always thought that the UK’s relationship with migration is due to the British empire going about the world and colonising as many bits of it as possible. English is a world language, so more people speak it, making the UK or USA obvious destinations.

I can’t understand what the links are either between Turkey and Japan or between the Kurds and Japan. Do a lot of people learn Japanese?

I have the solution I think - let’s make St George’s Day a bank holiday in England ( where I live) like there is for St Paddy’s and St Andrews Day ( sorry Welsh, you’ll have to fight your own corner on this one) stick some flags up then and we all get a day off. Reclaim it from the racists. Win-win! The English get to feel proud of whatever, dress the kids up as knights or Dragons or pots of tea or black cabs etc and we all get a day off. Bosh. Done.
You’re welcome.

Did she mean tourists or people living here?

It is not racist to think that immigration is out of control.

It is not racist to deny that diversity is our strength.

It is not racist to think that Islam poses a real threat to us.

Those who dismiss 30%+ of the population as racists or fascists are being divisive.