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What was the moment you knew your marriage / relationship was over? The straw that broke the camel’s back so to speak

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LavaLaamp · 09/09/2025 23:41

For me it was after he’d repeatedly told me that mama Mia in the cinema was a total joke and the fact I wanted to see it with my mum was pathetic, he refused to see it with me and took the piss repeatedly for weeks. I ignored him and went with my mum, aunt and cousin and had an absolutely brilliant time. Then the week after we went for the 2nd or 3rd time (sing along obviously) with more piss taking from boyfriend (not light hearted) it was my birthday and we had plans for my birthday.

I had a huge party which he didn’t turn up for and when I asked him why he wasn’t there he said he’d taken his co worker to go see mama Mia as she really wanted to go. I realised I would never be a priority in his life and dumped him, he married his co worker and then cheated on her with his male colleague 3 years later, lucky escape!

I was also ‘left at the alter’ on my wedding day- I found out about an hour before that he wasn’t to be found anywhere, I was in my dress, hair and makeup done etc. his mum told my moh that they didn’t know where he was but he wouldn’t be coming to the wedding, so I asked my moh and bridesmaid to tell everyone that the wedding wouldn’t be going ahead but everyone was welcome to come and enjoy the reception because we’d already paid for it all so we had a fab day with lots of tears and laughter at what should have been my wedding day! All his groomsmen stayed to be with me, his best man was incredible It went viral and he did apologise and ask to come back but I said no. 4 years on and I’m married to my soul mate and my ex is single and none of his friends speak to him.

Im so grateful that he did that because I’m so happy now.

what about you?

OP posts:
CarpeVitam · 13/09/2025 12:41

We were living in the Middle East at the time (had 2 young children) and, after an argument, he threatened to take the children away from me, pointing out that I had no ‘rights’ there.

Even though he quickly apologised and back-tracked, something ‘switched’ in me that day and I knew there was no coming back from it.

thepariscrimefiles · 14/09/2025 08:23

ILoveWhales · 10/09/2025 22:43

It's an absolutely shit film. I'm allowed an opinion.

Just because you don't like it. Well, I really don't care. Lots of love xx

Edited

Of course you are allowed an opinion. It's just that your opinion seems to be that OP deserved the abuse that her ex dished out because you don't like her taste in musicals.

Despite this thread being on AIBU, every poster apart from you has been kind and supportive to the OP and to other posters who have described their experiences with unkind and abusive partners/husbands.

SilverCamellia · 14/09/2025 10:45

I look back and think why did I stay with such a shit bf for 4 years. If I had read mumsnet back in the day I would have realised how abusive he was and I think it would have given me the support to leave. Thank goodness things have changed.

TheDayWeGotMinnie · 14/09/2025 22:25

TreeDudette · 10/09/2025 15:14

Mine was small and boring sounding compared to these. I made dinner and put it on the table in front of him and he huffed. That huff was the last straw. I waited until DD had eaten and left the table and then I told him I was fed up of being miserable and asked him to leave. He packed a bag, took the big car and the caravan and left that evening. He came back a week later to ask what was happening next and I said I wanted a divorce.

He never cheated, never hit me, didn't gaslight me. But oh my lord above he was a misery. Everything was doom and gloom, everyone was out to get him, the world was against him, every meal was awful, every activity uncomfortable or dull. He had sucked the joy out of my life by degrees until I was so unhappy it felt unbearable. He hadn't worked in years - and if he'd been happy with that I'd not have minded but it made him miserable but work made him more miserable. He wanted a puppy and then that made him miserable. Our daughter made him miserable. I had tried getting him to go to the GP but the pills, whilst they made him more bearable, made him eat so he got fat and killed his libido (not a problem for me) so he stopped taking them.

We split 7 years ago now and he hasn't changed a bit, he is still like a walking Eeyore. I had to help him find a rental flat last summer after he needed to move and got so overwhlemed with it all he quit his job. He is now pretty much 100% out of his daughters life all by his own hand. He just makes no effort and she can no longer be bothered to carry the load. He would probably blame me or my new partner or the universe as he does for every other thing in his life but the truth is that he is just the anti-joy and no one can put up with that for long. I feel incredibly sorry for him and utterly grateful that he is no longer my problem.

Like a walking Eeyore. That's a brilliant, and such an evocative, description of a person 👏🏻

Conniebygaslight · 23/09/2025 14:57

Beachtastic · 13/09/2025 12:17

OK, so, thinking about it, my moment of clarity was on our wedding night! I'd always thought it was just his postmodern sense of humour being grumpy about things, and that when it came to something important (e.g. wedding day?) he'd come up trumps. But all day he'd been in a foul mood, furious with me for some reason, constantly pulling me aside to whisper rebukes into my ear, gave a sarcastic speech, and kept shouting at me on the journey home (we spent the night in a shitty little house we'd recently moved into) because I couldn't keep up with him as I was struggling to carry all (!!!) our luggage through the turnstiles on the London Underground.

I remember lying in bed as he watched football on telly downstairs and thinking I wanted to run away and never look back. But I knew that marriage has its ups and downs and is a commitment for life, so I stayed another 15 years.

Then... nothing happened! Nothing changed. I just woke up one weekend and noticed, with indifference, that I had absolutely nothing left in me. No enthusiasm for life at all.

I waited to see if it would go away, but it didn't.

I started keeping a secret journal to try and make sense of it, and one morning found myself writing "I want to live alone." The minute the words were on the page, it was like an electric shock going through me. I stared at them and knew it was what I had to do.

He made our separation absolute hell, making me feel I hadn't got a leg to stand on. How dare I suddenly pull the plug on things for no reason, etc etc. I'd just gone mad overnight, etc etc. I really believed I had no excuse for doing this terrible thing I was doing and was terrified that he must be right that I was mad.

When I finally escaped to a little rented bedsit, I cautiously began my new life, anxiously waiting for the time when I would miss him. Instead, I gradually began to realise how much I'd been living my whole life tiptoeing on eggshells, and began to relax and enjoy life (although I did go on to have three more ghastly relationships, just because I didn't know any different).

Over the years that followed, and particularly since the internet has made it possible to compare notes on abusive relationships, I came to understand in retrospect just how bad the marriage had been. I'd spent all that time as his skivvy and punchbag. I'd been his personal chauffeur, cook, general handyman, secretary, the list goes on... all thankless. An accidental pregnancy made him erupt with "You've ruined my life, you bitch" and "How do I know it's mine?" (needless to say, I ended up having an abortion -- and at the time this was surgical, outside the UK, and he went to a football match that day). Little things like him forcing sex on me when I'd just got off the phone from being told a much-loved family member had died ("You're so sexy when you cry"). Me having to work several jobs to pay my exact half of the mortgage and bills. I could go on, but I'm sure you get the picture!

The next relationship I had, the guy used to get pissed off with me because I was constantly asking him "Are you OK?" I now realise it's because I had to do that with ex-DH all the time, I was on constant tenterhooks around him.

It's been a long and rocky road since, but I'm now married to the gentlest, kindest, funniest man in the world, the only person I've ever met who "gets" me 100%, immediately notices the slightest trace of discomfort cross my face and does everything he can to make me happy, jumps to help me with things without me asking, etc. We celebrate our 10-year anniversary soon and are ridiculously happy. He makes me laugh from the moment I wake up every day.

Looking back on the person I was in my first marriage, I can hardly believe it was me. I suppose it wasn't, really, it was a tiny version of me that had been forced into a smaller and smaller space until I could hardly breathe. I'm so proud that I somehow managed to get out even though I had no idea why I was doing it. I wish I could go back and reassure her how great things were going to be one day.

Glad that you're well and happy. Great post

Beachtastic · 23/09/2025 19:09

Conniebygaslight · 23/09/2025 14:57

Glad that you're well and happy. Great post

Thank you 💗 I truly am! I stopped pinching myself eventually...

What I wanted to get across is that when I was in the thick of it, that marriage seemed perfectly normal. When you've been with someone for years, you don't question your reality -- your relationship, however weird, is like the water that a fish swims in. And I suppose my parents, bless them, had brought me up to believe that marriages generally are endured through gritted teeth.

So I really did think I'd lost the plot, wanting to leave. It took me a few years to understand why that had actually been an extremely good idea (by finding out what had been missing; you don't know what you're missing if you've never experienced it).

I remember reading that "going sane" feels just like going mad, because you lose all the familiar anchor points. Your mind really plays tricks on you when you're trying to step out of a difficult marriage. I didn't know which way was up and which way was down, but something propelled me to keep going. To be honest, I think part of it was frankly wanting to have sex with someone who actually desired me, instead of treating me as a convenient way to unwind from work! I used to think of that to cheer me up when everything seemed too bleak -- shallow, I know, but it did give me something to look forward to when all else seemed like chaos and despair.

The funny thing is how hard it is to swtich off that caretaker role. Although many years have passed, now and then I still worry for ex-DH and the rather sad life he has had since. But then, he is hardwired to be miserable, and I decided in the end that one of us might as well be happy.

GarlicPint · 24/09/2025 01:52

"going sane" feels just like going mad

Just repeating this here, because it's so true! Applies to a variety of situations, and I'd wager that all of them have something to do with being bullied and controlled by someone else.

I'm one of millions who first entered therapy because I believed a bully who said there was something wrong with me ... There was, and it turned out to be that I was predisposed to withstand abuse. My advice to anyone whose partner says "You need therapy!" is: take them at their word, go with an open mind; tell the therapist the truth and see what happens.

Fantastic posts, @Beachtastic, thank you 💜

Zanatdy · 24/09/2025 05:28

For me and my ex there was a lot of things but the straw that broke the camels back for me was when the 5 of us sat down for dinner (we’d got a chinese). My ex, my 15yr old son (not ex’s child) and our 2 DC. I was about to pull the spare chair round when ex said he would eat his in the living room. I’d noticed a few things when I wondered if ex was being funny with my eldest but this was the clearest indication for me and when I knew it was over. It got quite horrible and although its 15yr ago now, I still feel scared by what happened. My ex told me 3yrs ago that he decided to start ignoring my son and he didn’t think I really wanted to be in a relationship with him and he knew that was the only way he could hurt me. I was astounded by that admission. Unbelievable someone would do that.

Conniebygaslight · 24/09/2025 09:41

GarlicPint · 24/09/2025 01:52

"going sane" feels just like going mad

Just repeating this here, because it's so true! Applies to a variety of situations, and I'd wager that all of them have something to do with being bullied and controlled by someone else.

I'm one of millions who first entered therapy because I believed a bully who said there was something wrong with me ... There was, and it turned out to be that I was predisposed to withstand abuse. My advice to anyone whose partner says "You need therapy!" is: take them at their word, go with an open mind; tell the therapist the truth and see what happens.

Fantastic posts, @Beachtastic, thank you 💜

My DD is in a terrible situation and very stuck. No matter how hard we try she won't leave. His behaviour is horrendous.

Beachtastic · 24/09/2025 10:12

@GarlicPint I attended a few sessions with a counsellor, but didn't get very far with it. Partly because it was hard to find the time for them (work work work, then home to cook dinner; it was a tight timetable in those days!) and also the money (I had no finances to call my own). The main problem though was that I was looking for what I could tell her that would make her realise how much we loved each other and how the marriage was built on solid foundations. She didn't seem to appreciate this (!!!), and I thought it was just because I hadn't yet found the right thing to say. She also said that at some point I'd "find my anger" and it would see me through. Well, I never did -- maybe that would have made things easier; I don't know.

I'm not saying she was a bad therapist, just that it's an approach that didn't work for someone like me because my entire identity was built around giving ex-DH the life I felt he needed, at whatever cost to myself. I had to find another way to gather self-belief and impetus somehow. Oddly, it was doing Julia Cameron's The Artist's Way that got me to turn the focus inward and think, probably for the first time in my life, about what I wanted for myself from life.

What I do think is that if you find yourself fretting all the time about whether you're happy or not, the answer is a big loud NO!!!, because otherwise the question wouldn't cross your mind. Then you have to reject the notion that you don't really deserve to be happy anyway. And reject the (rather popular) notion that no one is ever really happy anyway. And if you keep wondering about leaving, that idea doesn't keep springing into your head because you're a bad person. It's an instinct that you're missing out on life, possibly even sabotaging it completely for yourself, in ways that you can't even begin to imagine and won't understand until the relationship you're in is distant history.

This thread used to be pinned to the top of the Relationships board:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/698029-Right-listen-up-everybody

@Conniebygaslight So sorry to hear this. Is she aware that it's not a healthy relationship? Does she WANT to leave? Perhaps start a thread???

justasking111 · 24/09/2025 10:44

Conniebygaslight · 24/09/2025 09:41

My DD is in a terrible situation and very stuck. No matter how hard we try she won't leave. His behaviour is horrendous.

One idea is to take her away on holiday without him. Friends daughter after a break from the misery finally woke up.

Conniebygaslight · 24/09/2025 12:05

justasking111 · 24/09/2025 10:44

One idea is to take her away on holiday without him. Friends daughter after a break from the misery finally woke up.

She wont be away from him for more than a couple of hours, there's no chance of a holiday

Conniebygaslight · 24/09/2025 12:08

Beachtastic · 24/09/2025 10:12

@GarlicPint I attended a few sessions with a counsellor, but didn't get very far with it. Partly because it was hard to find the time for them (work work work, then home to cook dinner; it was a tight timetable in those days!) and also the money (I had no finances to call my own). The main problem though was that I was looking for what I could tell her that would make her realise how much we loved each other and how the marriage was built on solid foundations. She didn't seem to appreciate this (!!!), and I thought it was just because I hadn't yet found the right thing to say. She also said that at some point I'd "find my anger" and it would see me through. Well, I never did -- maybe that would have made things easier; I don't know.

I'm not saying she was a bad therapist, just that it's an approach that didn't work for someone like me because my entire identity was built around giving ex-DH the life I felt he needed, at whatever cost to myself. I had to find another way to gather self-belief and impetus somehow. Oddly, it was doing Julia Cameron's The Artist's Way that got me to turn the focus inward and think, probably for the first time in my life, about what I wanted for myself from life.

What I do think is that if you find yourself fretting all the time about whether you're happy or not, the answer is a big loud NO!!!, because otherwise the question wouldn't cross your mind. Then you have to reject the notion that you don't really deserve to be happy anyway. And reject the (rather popular) notion that no one is ever really happy anyway. And if you keep wondering about leaving, that idea doesn't keep springing into your head because you're a bad person. It's an instinct that you're missing out on life, possibly even sabotaging it completely for yourself, in ways that you can't even begin to imagine and won't understand until the relationship you're in is distant history.

This thread used to be pinned to the top of the Relationships board:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/698029-Right-listen-up-everybody

@Conniebygaslight So sorry to hear this. Is she aware that it's not a healthy relationship? Does she WANT to leave? Perhaps start a thread???

Yes she's aware it's abusive. She doesn't want to leave but knows she has no life. I've started threads before. People have been helpful of course but nobody can suggest anything we haven't tried. It's the worst of situations.

Beachtastic · 24/09/2025 12:57

Conniebygaslight · 24/09/2025 12:08

Yes she's aware it's abusive. She doesn't want to leave but knows she has no life. I've started threads before. People have been helpful of course but nobody can suggest anything we haven't tried. It's the worst of situations.

That's so depressing... What do you think is holding her back? Fear of him? Not believing life could be better? Not believing in herself/knowing what else do with life? A mix of these? Something else?

justasking111 · 24/09/2025 13:44

Conniebygaslight · 24/09/2025 12:05

She wont be away from him for more than a couple of hours, there's no chance of a holiday

Well if she loves him so much she's smothering him and won't be apart from him for more than a couple of hours I'd bow out @LavaLaamp . It's not what most people do. But if it's what she wants. Best to keep quiet.

Conniebygaslight · 24/09/2025 14:28

justasking111 · 24/09/2025 13:44

Well if she loves him so much she's smothering him and won't be apart from him for more than a couple of hours I'd bow out @LavaLaamp . It's not what most people do. But if it's what she wants. Best to keep quiet.

she wont be apart from him for more than a couple of hours because if she is he blocks her and kicks her out.....it's part of the abuse. Nothing to do with smothering him.

Conniebygaslight · 24/09/2025 14:30

Beachtastic · 24/09/2025 12:57

That's so depressing... What do you think is holding her back? Fear of him? Not believing life could be better? Not believing in herself/knowing what else do with life? A mix of these? Something else?

She's completely trauma bonded to him, it's horrendous, he treats her so badly and she just goes back & back, she thinks she can't live without him, even though he offers her absolutely nothing and never has. She has no friends. She comes from a very loving family and we're all devastated.

justasking111 · 24/09/2025 14:42

Conniebygaslight · 24/09/2025 14:28

she wont be apart from him for more than a couple of hours because if she is he blocks her and kicks her out.....it's part of the abuse. Nothing to do with smothering him.

I'm guessing neither of them have jobs then. Both under each others feet. That's a strain. But if she won't go home to mum and dad for a breather. What's the alternative a Brookside patio?

Beachtastic · 24/09/2025 14:51

Conniebygaslight · 24/09/2025 14:30

She's completely trauma bonded to him, it's horrendous, he treats her so badly and she just goes back & back, she thinks she can't live without him, even though he offers her absolutely nothing and never has. She has no friends. She comes from a very loving family and we're all devastated.

Ugh, she has no friends and feels she can't live without him, but does recognise the relationship is bad?

I think we need some suggestions (sorry if this has been done to death) on how to improve her perceptions of what life without him could look like. It's probably rather difficult for her to visualise. Anything that leads her focus away from him is a good idea, obviously.

This worked for me, and might make an apparently harmless Xmas gift!
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Artists-Way-Spiritual-Higher-Creativity/dp/1788164296/ref=sr_1_1?crid=31F820ZHK62VY&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.tS5s6dLXJNQmhjxUAUCDHmuIY8Zxurfta7fEl10QmTlXIQgugWJI0ZBhJH0oNPSZl96ci4e6273RVjVM7BVqaHMqiIBQEvrq14r65AFvTS9sULEmcurt4RZ6PNe3PxLG9MvqGGCJem7zBDKbRX4NdX40t0CkCCQrGK8twNoyGw3SpZJJf8Ltb7fmi886--PtOGUVu0Q99KioqtfS6h2DpUgi1HTetmRJoigWhm0jcMM.5dw9UGZ02dMoPxHpdA2vDwEDHDFuqt6CpBmLmDBScXM&dib_tag=se&keywords=the+artists+way&qid=1758721727&sprefix=the+artists+way%2Caps%2C109&sr=8-1

Racking my brains for other ideas. A pet? A hobby? A job/new job?

Amazon.co.uk

Amazon.co.uk

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Artists-Way-Spiritual-Higher-Creativity/dp/1788164296/ref=sr_1_1?crid=31F820ZHK62VY&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.tS5s6dLXJNQmhjxUAUCDHmuIY8Zxurfta7fEl10QmTlXIQgugWJI0ZBhJH0oNPSZl96ci4e6273RVjVM7BVqaHMqiIBQEvrq14r65AFvTS9sULEmcurt4RZ6PNe3PxLG9MvqGGCJem7zBDKbRX4NdX40t0CkCCQrGK8twNoyGw3SpZJJf8Ltb7fmi886--PtOGUVu0Q99KioqtfS6h2DpUgi1HTetmRJoigWhm0jcMM.5dw9UGZ02dMoPxHpdA2vDwEDHDFuqt6CpBmLmDBScXM&dib_tag=se&keywords=the%20artists%20way&qid=1758721727&sprefix=the%20artists%20way%2Caps%2C109&sr=8-1&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-am-i-being-unreasonable-5407824-what-was-the-moment-you-knew-your-marriage-relationship-was-over-the-straw-that-broke-the-camels-back-so-to-speak

Difficile · 24/09/2025 15:29

He said I was lying when I told him I'd been sexually assaulted at work and that actually I was just having an affair with a colleague, which is why I had been losing weight. Wanker.

Conniebygaslight · 24/09/2025 15:39

Beachtastic · 24/09/2025 14:51

Ugh, she has no friends and feels she can't live without him, but does recognise the relationship is bad?

I think we need some suggestions (sorry if this has been done to death) on how to improve her perceptions of what life without him could look like. It's probably rather difficult for her to visualise. Anything that leads her focus away from him is a good idea, obviously.

This worked for me, and might make an apparently harmless Xmas gift!
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Artists-Way-Spiritual-Higher-Creativity/dp/1788164296/ref=sr_1_1?crid=31F820ZHK62VY&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.tS5s6dLXJNQmhjxUAUCDHmuIY8Zxurfta7fEl10QmTlXIQgugWJI0ZBhJH0oNPSZl96ci4e6273RVjVM7BVqaHMqiIBQEvrq14r65AFvTS9sULEmcurt4RZ6PNe3PxLG9MvqGGCJem7zBDKbRX4NdX40t0CkCCQrGK8twNoyGw3SpZJJf8Ltb7fmi886--PtOGUVu0Q99KioqtfS6h2DpUgi1HTetmRJoigWhm0jcMM.5dw9UGZ02dMoPxHpdA2vDwEDHDFuqt6CpBmLmDBScXM&dib_tag=se&keywords=the+artists+way&qid=1758721727&sprefix=the+artists+way%2Caps%2C109&sr=8-1

Racking my brains for other ideas. A pet? A hobby? A job/new job?

Thank you. Yes, she knows he is abusive. She says she doesn't know why she loves him but she just does. She doesn't care about anything else, even herself. She does still want a connection with us though which is good and gives us hope.

justasking111 · 24/09/2025 16:34

A friend is a decorator he was hired to do the headmasters house at a public school. The headmaster behind closed doors was a controlling tyrant. His wife wasn't allowed make up, he had to approve her clothes. He chose the colour schemes for every room ditto furniture, soft furnishings.

He ignored invoices, wouldn't pay the suppliers, made his wife deal with them. It was grim. He did eventually have to pay when the suppliers threatened the school with debt collectors, poor bursar had no idea

She's still with the slimy bastard.

Conniebygaslight · 24/09/2025 16:34

justasking111 · 24/09/2025 14:42

I'm guessing neither of them have jobs then. Both under each others feet. That's a strain. But if she won't go home to mum and dad for a breather. What's the alternative a Brookside patio?

She does have a job. He doesn’t she works to provide for him. Your flippant comments about this are really unkind and unhelpful

ThatCyanCat · 24/09/2025 16:38

Conniebygaslight · 24/09/2025 15:39

Thank you. Yes, she knows he is abusive. She says she doesn't know why she loves him but she just does. She doesn't care about anything else, even herself. She does still want a connection with us though which is good and gives us hope.

If she leaves, it's an abusive relationship with a shitbag who treated her like dirt and she put up with it for a long time. If she stays, it's a successful relationship with a flawed human who loves her really.

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