Do people really think PIP claimants are fraudsters?!

[Greedybilly]

As someone with a chronic illness in the middle of claiming PIP I think it's important to point out it's very stressful to go through the process and actually get the benefit.
To those who were inferring it's an easy blag - I would say yes there will always be a few scammers who claim fraudulently ( though god knows how tbh?) the majority have to struggle for years/go through appeals/give up.
Just saying this for balance as I feel MN is turning slghtly into the Daily Fail.

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Literally wrong on every point. If someone explains how something works or why there could be support for something it doesn't mean that they necessarily support it themselves. Also I am not morally opposed to disabled people getting their nails done for the millionth time. Is however a nail appointment to have your nails painted a good use of public money? That's a different question. By all means don't read what I write (it seems you haven't done this throughout the whole thread anyway) but don't then have the cheek to misrepresent me.

@Marshmallow4545 You have represented yourself very clearly and your true colours are well and truly showing throughout the thread. You’ve received numerous feedback from many different posters about why you are wrong, and rather than reflect and show any learning or even basic compassion, you continue to write walls of texts saying the exact same thing. Best of luck to you.

Some posters have agreed with me, some have disagreed. That's how debate works. I know you love to believe that you are superior and therefore in a position to dole out feedback to ignorant people that don't agree with you but that's simply not how MN works. We disagree. You can belittle, insult and stamp your feet as much as you like but the poll proves that lots of people share my viewpoint.

I am happy to leave it there. As I've said a million times. Let the passage of time prove who is right and wrong. If PIP remains in it's current form or a similar form then I will freely admit I'm wrong. The system would then be proven to be more financially sustainable and have more public support than I think. If however major changes happen within this parliamentary term or after the next election then this will prove that reform is needed and is coming imminently.

They didn’t say they didn’t work.

If you are a taxpayer you can and should have an opinion on where your taxes go

The only person crying and stamping their feet on the thread has been you and your cronies.

Again - best of luck to you, why you keep bringing me up and wanting my attention is getting weird.

Do you think DLA needs reforming too or just PIP?

I am a tax payer that marshmallow person isn't and im more then happy for my tax to go on supporting the most vulnerable in society and any future children or grandchildren that may be born or become disabled throughout their life where all paying into something that anyone of us may need in the future

Their implying it so they either don't or are just a shit stirrer but they have a lot of spare time for somebody who has a full time job

Where it goes. Not how individuals spend it.

i can talk about anything to do with where my taxes goes and I certainly won’t be told what I can and can’t talk about.

Implying is not saying they do or do not work. You simply have no idea so I really wouldn’t take a guess at it

So what if they have time to reply. So do others on this thread.

You have been insisting that vouchers for PIP, and all benefits, should be paid in vouchers.
Why this wont work has been explained several times.

oh please . I did not insist at all .i asked what was wrong with having them and it was explained why they wouldn’t work. And as a tax payer I can ask that question. Don’t believe there is a law against asking the question.

I specifically asked if they worked and paid tax.

I was born completely blind, not generally something one can just get on with if denied benefits, the eyeballs I was born without would not have suddenly sprouted had I not been in receipt of DLA then PIP! I know exactly what would have happened to me had I been born in the days before the welfare state. Unless I was lucky enough to have had family willing and able to support me throughout my life I would have probably ended up in an institution for the blind. In the days before even basic adaptations for blind children, like Braille and white guide canes, had been developped, education for blind children was so difficult that most people would not have access to it at all. Therefore, had I been born in those times, I would have probably received no education, had no chance of employment and have ended up living in austere state-run workhouse-like accommodation in very basic bleak conditions, entirely reliant on the state but miserable, which I imagine sounds pretty appealing to some posters on here who seem to begrudge disabled people enjoying any quality of life.
I am fortunate not to live in those times because I am able to use my PIP to pay for adaptive technology, equipment and support which allows me to work and to live a rich and full life. I'm still disabled though, I'd say that I am 'getting on with it' as I am happy, fulfilled and productive, but if by 'getting on with it' you mean conquering my disability then I'm definitely failing since I remain disappointingly blind despite the benefits!

I doubt it.

I doubt OP (Amd others) would change perspective i mean!

What are your plans for this focus on tax evasion out of interest?

And what exactly does this have to do with you? They can also choose not to answer it. You do not have enough information to state as a fact that they don’t work or pay tax. You simply don’t know

I don’t have plans. I just think it would be interesting to have some threads on that for a change, rather than benefit bashing.

But its ok for people to ask what people spend their pip on.

You aren't debating though.. Debate requires some give and take, you are simply listening to reply, not to understand.