Do people really think PIP claimants are fraudsters?!

[Greedybilly]

As someone with a chronic illness in the middle of claiming PIP I think it's important to point out it's very stressful to go through the process and actually get the benefit.
To those who were inferring it's an easy blag - I would say yes there will always be a few scammers who claim fraudulently ( though god knows how tbh?) the majority have to struggle for years/go through appeals/give up.
Just saying this for balance as I feel MN is turning slghtly into the Daily Fail.

and medical professionals risk their careers and write false supporting letters on demand? I find that incredibly hard to believe.

When I applied for DLA for my son, it had to be current medications and evidence from medical professionals stating the medications he's on. They wouldn't have accepted an out of date letter as evidence, had to be current.

Annoyingly this is exactly what my PIP was being used for. I had managed to source affordable (£60pw) therapy, which I could access up to 2 years. I had wanted it before COVID but it got shut down over COVID and the waiting list only reopened the other year. My pip was due for renewal and once it was renewed I had the application forms ready to go. Except sue to backlogs the renewal got extended for a year. Couldn't commit to starting it if I couldn't guarantee continuing it. And then I had to do my renewal, which due to my diagnosis changing then ended up being a change of circumstances. Which then scored me 0 on all categories.

It looks as though they didn't take into account the previous MR which overturned the last decision so now have to do another MR, if that fails it's an 12-18 month wait for tribunal.

So basically assuming I get it back I will have had to have waited close to 3 years access to therapy I need.

It's ironic because if I had access to that therapy I imagine my mental health would be a hell of a lot better which in turn would mean I'd be able to cope with working more hours which at this point is all I want.

And yes I should really be getting this help on the NHS but all I've been offered is 6 sessions of CBT which previously twice (online and in person) has not worked. I need interpersonal therapy not one sized fits all CBT.

Not as happy as it makes you to spew hatred towards disabled people 😘

It’s hard to believe because it isn’t true.

Oh, I know.

My son has complex needs and is under multiple professionals. They certainly wouldn't write down false claims.

If so few people are defrauding the system, why is there the public perception that fraud is rife?

It's around £29 a week for the lowest award, I think it's about £78 for the daily living award. That's all you'd ever get for mental health problems.

I don't think people can just decide to get better...people don't choose to have crippling depression. Plus the threat of homelessness isn't an incentive anyway...it just paralyses people.

Because people who aren't disabled rarely understand the extra costs that come with disability
Because hidden disabilities exist and people make incorrect assumptions all of the time when someone might 'look fine'
Because some people don't fully understand how PIP/DLA works
Because some people see a new car, apparently forget it requires either you to be disabled or your child to be disabled and resent the fact that it's a new car

I could go on.

What I find really confusing is that people who are healthy and critical of people receiving PIP don't seem to realise that one day they could be ill. And until they've tried to claim PIP themselves they can't possibly have an informed opinion.

Me and my two DS's are autistic and have other mental health problems and we receive precisely nothing. Oh but autism now means nothing on MN because everyone has it and it's not an excuse. No it's more of an insult these days...

Many people are thick as pig shit and believe whatever shit stirrers tell them.

Others simply hate disabled people and enjoy winding up hatred towards them.

Or their child.

I had a healthy child, then I didn't.

Just like that.

So are you saying no one commits benefit fraud?

That does seem to be what many posters believe. Or maybe they just don't want their own circumstances looked into too much.

The rate of pip fraud is 0% the year ending 2024 benefit fraud like universal credit is very different and significantly higher but its easier to go at the most vulnerable in society

I’m not sure I believe this

Upthread there was someone admonishing a person who's DD has severe mental health issues and cannot go out in public on her own.

I think in the past I would have had a "just get over it" type on mentality. Truth is I can never know what it's like to have severe mental health issues or depression. Especially treatment resistant depression.

No. Do you struggle with understanding?

Of course it happens but not as often as some people claim on here and not how some people claim it happens with them ''blagging'' it due to tips from social media, demanding false medical evidence from professionals who happen to go along with it and risk their careers and how they brag about it to everyone without any worries that they will be reported.

Official dwp figures

It covers all the same areas - mobility, bathing, preparing food etc. It has a different format, and unfortunately cannot be completed electronically like the initial form, but concepts are very similar

Mine wasn't it has recently been changed if you haven't done one recently this was about a month ago was purely asking about admissions how long for treatment/therapy hours a week, and purely just changes in the the time period.

😂😅😂everyone in the WHOLE world is honest!! ❤

They can come and live with me if they like

Its 0% dipsydee. Everyone is honest, no one cheats the system EVER.

Or end up institutionalised or locked away from prying eyes