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To think England flags are intimidating?

201 replies

Nikki7506 · 07/09/2025 09:09

Let me start by saying I LOVE MY COUNTRY!🥰🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
I am an Army veteran. I fly a tonne of flags for St Georges Day, major sporting tournaments, Royal occasions because I love the monarchy!! I'm the only person on my street who bothers to get the flags and bunting out, although, there is one other house on the next road who does too👍
Woke up one morning to find England flags all the way down the street. They were well high up on the lamp posts. I couldn't reach them so I complained to the council. I feel like I'm living in an EDL rally. The council finally sent an email saying they had removed the flags but they hadn't. They were still there.
So I decided to fly two pride flags from the lamp posts opposite my house. Before the end of the day an angry GAMMON 😡 ripped them down with such vigour I thought he might have a heart attack.
It made me really sad because to me the pride flag is a symbol of acceptance and kindness to everyone LGTBQ+, disabilities and everyone who is neither white nor English!!🏳️‍🌈
So I have to look at their flags (and its not the flag, the reason they're flying them is because Nigel wants everyone to hate immigrants and they are happy to use the England flag as a dog whistle ) but I can't fly mine😡
Am I being too upset by this? I'm seriously thinking of using a water gun with food dye in it. We have a diverse community here💖 The other day a man said hello to me in mandarin with his little toddler on his shoulders and it was lovely🌈 I don't just want to cut my neighbours loose and keep quiet😔 they are lovely people who deserve respect.
This feels like a Trump/Farage takeover😡
This sudden display of patriotism (Flag shagging) from folks who don't normally bother is a worry😬

OP posts:
thebabayaga2025 · 07/09/2025 11:11

LivelyCrab · 07/09/2025 11:06

Surely the answer to all this flag nonsense is for every single person to drape the England flag in their home. This will completely neitralise all negative connotations as well as reclaiming its meaning?

Perfect.

MrsLizzieDarcy · 07/09/2025 11:11

A few villagers here have got flagpoles and fly all sorts of flags over the course of the year. There's a pirate one up at present I can see from my window. They've had the grandchildren there for the summer and we're near the river.

What a sad thing to get all worked up over. And sadly it shows how brainwashed society has become by minority voices.

Eloeeze · 07/09/2025 11:12

Being easily intimidated is resolved quite well by CBT, it might be worth looking into it.

2dogsandabudgie · 07/09/2025 11:24

I was too distracted by all the emojis in your post OP.

OhNoNotSusan · 07/09/2025 11:28

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that is uncalled for

MissiliaAmori · 07/09/2025 11:32

Lots of posters being disingenuous here. Of course the St. George's flag can be intimidating. It's been co-opted and used by the extreme right for decades. Let's not pretend it's neutral. It shouldn't have been used in that way, but it has. You can't ignore the connotations.

MidnightGloria · 07/09/2025 11:34

"GAMMON"

I'm indifferent to most flags.
I don't approve of calling people names that mock the colour of their skin.

Insanityisnotastrategy · 07/09/2025 11:52

StandFirm · 07/09/2025 10:28

I agree. I love the union jack.
The England flag should be always flown next to the other national flags in the union. And no, it's not the same as Scots flying the Saltire. Scotland was absorbed into the union and the partnership was never equal. English nationalism is a different beast, especially nowadays. I love England. I don't want its flag highjacked by far right ideology. Some flags have been tainted that way forever, such as the Confederate flag. I have old friends in the deep South. They love their state but they wouldn't fly that flag in their front yard.

Completely agree.

GlastoNinja · 07/09/2025 11:54

MrsLizzieDarcy · 07/09/2025 11:11

A few villagers here have got flagpoles and fly all sorts of flags over the course of the year. There's a pirate one up at present I can see from my window. They've had the grandchildren there for the summer and we're near the river.

What a sad thing to get all worked up over. And sadly it shows how brainwashed society has become by minority voices.

This is very different from what’s happening at the moment, to pretend otherwise is disingenuous

Mochudubh · 07/09/2025 12:00

PestoHoliday · 07/09/2025 10:18

It's the shittest flag, isn't it - two red lines on a blank piece of paper. 1/10 for effort.

Wales, now that's a country with a flag worth flying. (See also Lebanon, Dominica, Albania, Bhutan etc)

Vladivostok

To think England flags are intimidating?
simplesimoneatspie · 07/09/2025 12:05

This is a sad and embarrassing thread for a true Englishman to post

stillhiding1990 · 07/09/2025 12:06

Keeho · 07/09/2025 09:19

YANBU. As white, english speaking immigrant I find them hostile. They signal "brown/black people unwelcome here"... "rich or poor, white racists welcome here".

How could someone flying their country’s flag be hostile? Why does this only apply to uk?

stillhiding1990 · 07/09/2025 12:08

MissiliaAmori · 07/09/2025 11:32

Lots of posters being disingenuous here. Of course the St. George's flag can be intimidating. It's been co-opted and used by the extreme right for decades. Let's not pretend it's neutral. It shouldn't have been used in that way, but it has. You can't ignore the connotations.

Ridiculous - hindus still use the sign the nazis adopted. The English flag flown in England is not intimidating.

SuziQuinto · 07/09/2025 12:08

PestoHoliday · 07/09/2025 10:18

It's the shittest flag, isn't it - two red lines on a blank piece of paper. 1/10 for effort.

Wales, now that's a country with a flag worth flying. (See also Lebanon, Dominica, Albania, Bhutan etc)

Shittiest flag? Plenty of nations have a simple cross, or only two colour ways. Japan has a very simple, yet striking flag.

GlastoNinja · 07/09/2025 12:09

stillhiding1990 · 07/09/2025 12:06

How could someone flying their country’s flag be hostile? Why does this only apply to uk?

Have you been asleep while that flag has been used by racist groups over the last few decades to signal pride in their own country and that non white people aren’t welcome?

If you have, I’m sure Google or chat GPT will help if you’ve missed it.

scalt · 07/09/2025 12:14

Puzzled as to why they are all at half mast.
Is the King dead?
Is Trump dead?
Is Farage dead?
Are ladders long enough to reach the tops of lamp posts dead?
Is someone dead because they hung a flag?

DelphiniumDoreen · 07/09/2025 12:15

KhakiTiger · 07/09/2025 09:23

The irony in this post is staggering.

If a non-white person was to go to another country and say they find the host country’s flag offensive, imagine how this would go down. Yet this post is written (presumably) with a straight face.

Some people like to think it’s their mission in life to be offended on behalf of others, whether others are offended are not.

Yep, couldn’t agree more.

Women are fine to walk around in full burkas here which personally I find very intimidating. Is it a bloke under all that material?! We’re all expected to be right on and happy with it. No way on earth would I go that woman’s country of origin and expect to walk around the supermarket in my pyjama onesie. I expect I’d be beheaded by the patriarchy.

Somewhere along the line we have made other cultures identity in our own country more important than our own.

PestoHoliday · 07/09/2025 12:21

SuziQuinto · 07/09/2025 12:08

Shittiest flag? Plenty of nations have a simple cross, or only two colour ways. Japan has a very simple, yet striking flag.

I said shittest, not shittiest. It's boring rather than dramatic.

Lots have very simple flags, including the Swiss and the Scottish, but two thin lines on a blank background is just dull as dishwasher.

If someone's going to wrap their xenophobia in a flag of patriotism, at least have a nice interesting one to use.

Excellent Work by Vladivostok, @Mochudubh

OchreSnail · 07/09/2025 12:26

I hate them. We've got flags ziptied to lampposts in several streets round here. I'm white British but they make me feel very uncomfortable, so god knows how they affect others.

Saying 'it's just people being patriotic' is disingenuous - the flag (and especially flag of st George) has long been hijacked by the far right, and it's common knowledge that the current flag nonsense is being organised by people with a long history with the far right.

What's happening here is NOT the same thing as flying a flag on a public building - it's intimidating and aggressive.

Newbutoldfather · 07/09/2025 12:26

We should all be proud of our country’s flag. Every successful nation is proud of its flag.

If racists try to appropriate it, then non racists should take it back.

The ‘pride’ flag has always been nonsense. Every minority doesn’t need a flag to represent it. I would never fly a ‘Jewish’ flag (I don’t think there is one) and certainly not an Israeli flag, as I am not Israeli! And it has become particularly divisive now as it has come to represent the trans gender movement in most people’s eyes.

Maybe LGB need their own flag, but should sexual preference be a big deal one way or the other in today’s tolerant culture.

OhNoNotSusan · 07/09/2025 12:27

simplesimoneatspie · 07/09/2025 12:05

This is a sad and embarrassing thread for a true Englishman to post

why?

KhakiTiger · 07/09/2025 12:28

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Resorting to foul language. So predictable of those on the ‘progressive’ be kind left. Doesn’t take long before they start showing their true colours.

Ethelflaedofmercia · 07/09/2025 12:29

Cool story.

I like my flag, and if I fancy flying it I will. Other people’s fears are not my problem 🤷🏻‍♀️

OhNoNotSusan · 07/09/2025 12:29

stillhiding1990 · 07/09/2025 12:08

Ridiculous - hindus still use the sign the nazis adopted. The English flag flown in England is not intimidating.

i find it intimidating as do plenty of others

Namitynamename · 07/09/2025 12:29

StaringAtTheWater · 07/09/2025 10:05

I actually agree with you OP. Not because the flag itself is offensive, but it's not our cultural norm to hang our country's flag up day to day (we are not Americans!!)

The cultural norm is to hang flags up only during big sporting events (e.g. England flags during big football tournaments) and for national royal events like coronations, royal weddings etc (more the union flag).

How ever much people may protest to the contrary, this deviation from the cultural norm is being driven by a nasty nationalistic, racist undercurrent. And I don't like it.

Even Americans don't tend to paint messy flags on roundabouts etc. They do really love their flag but are quite selective about where it goes.

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