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To think England flags are intimidating?

201 replies

Nikki7506 · 07/09/2025 09:09

Let me start by saying I LOVE MY COUNTRY!🥰🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
I am an Army veteran. I fly a tonne of flags for St Georges Day, major sporting tournaments, Royal occasions because I love the monarchy!! I'm the only person on my street who bothers to get the flags and bunting out, although, there is one other house on the next road who does too👍
Woke up one morning to find England flags all the way down the street. They were well high up on the lamp posts. I couldn't reach them so I complained to the council. I feel like I'm living in an EDL rally. The council finally sent an email saying they had removed the flags but they hadn't. They were still there.
So I decided to fly two pride flags from the lamp posts opposite my house. Before the end of the day an angry GAMMON 😡 ripped them down with such vigour I thought he might have a heart attack.
It made me really sad because to me the pride flag is a symbol of acceptance and kindness to everyone LGTBQ+, disabilities and everyone who is neither white nor English!!🏳️‍🌈
So I have to look at their flags (and its not the flag, the reason they're flying them is because Nigel wants everyone to hate immigrants and they are happy to use the England flag as a dog whistle ) but I can't fly mine😡
Am I being too upset by this? I'm seriously thinking of using a water gun with food dye in it. We have a diverse community here💖 The other day a man said hello to me in mandarin with his little toddler on his shoulders and it was lovely🌈 I don't just want to cut my neighbours loose and keep quiet😔 they are lovely people who deserve respect.
This feels like a Trump/Farage takeover😡
This sudden display of patriotism (Flag shagging) from folks who don't normally bother is a worry😬

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smallpinecone · 07/09/2025 09:37

Keeho · 07/09/2025 09:19

YANBU. As white, english speaking immigrant I find them hostile. They signal "brown/black people unwelcome here"... "rich or poor, white racists welcome here".

I’ve never chosen to live in a country and then complain that I find the sight of their flag ‘hostile’ 🤨

CoffeeCupOnBreak · 07/09/2025 09:42

We are mixed race and religion first gen immigrants. The flags don't intimidate us. It's a flag of England 🤷 We just chose the "let them get it out of their system and their point out" path. Now physical face to face threads would be a different matter.
I do wish some put bit more artistry into the drawn flags though at least. And I do wish others just let it go and stopped proving their "can't even fly own flag" point...

And pride (whichever edition) flag has nothing to do with us.

ComfortFoodCafe · 07/09/2025 09:49

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GlastoNinja · 07/09/2025 09:50

I hate it. I feels like the creep of nationalism which is opening the door to acceptable racism.

The Main Street in our village has them lining the road now and I feel so much shame and embarrassment about it. This doesn’t feel like a country that I feel proud of any more or want to be part of.

I’m too old to move but for the first time ever, I hope my kids and grandkids leave when they have the chance.

OhNoNotSusan · 07/09/2025 09:51

union jack flags look great
england flags remind me of the national front unfortunately, or football

RobustPastry · 07/09/2025 09:55

smallpinecone · 07/09/2025 09:37

I’ve never chosen to live in a country and then complain that I find the sight of their flag ‘hostile’ 🤨

You’re being pretty hostile to someone you know is an immigrant right there though. Why would that be?

anotherside · 07/09/2025 09:57

Fluffyholeysocks · 07/09/2025 09:16

Not the point of the thread but did you find learning mandarin easy? I'm really struggling.
Any tips to help?

Re the tones, keep practising them but don’t obsess over them. You’ll find things start to flow better pronunciation wise when you start getting more confident, increasing your vocabulary and making more sentences.

WetSlates · 07/09/2025 10:01

smallpinecone · 07/09/2025 09:37

I’ve never chosen to live in a country and then complain that I find the sight of their flag ‘hostile’ 🤨

Have you ever lived in a country which displayed ‘No blacks, no dogs, no Irish’ notices when your parents first worked there?

Willow12345 · 07/09/2025 10:05

Parody post or not, I completely agree OP. My family and I also find the England flags up in certain areas, hostile.

The England flag has become a divisive and hate-promoting symbol due to Farage et al.

And yes, I am English.

StaringAtTheWater · 07/09/2025 10:05

I actually agree with you OP. Not because the flag itself is offensive, but it's not our cultural norm to hang our country's flag up day to day (we are not Americans!!)

The cultural norm is to hang flags up only during big sporting events (e.g. England flags during big football tournaments) and for national royal events like coronations, royal weddings etc (more the union flag).

How ever much people may protest to the contrary, this deviation from the cultural norm is being driven by a nasty nationalistic, racist undercurrent. And I don't like it.

Insidemyownhead · 07/09/2025 10:06

What a terrible day to have eyes that can read.

ThatCyanCat · 07/09/2025 10:09

2/10.

Danioyellow · 07/09/2025 10:10

Are you always this dramatic?

NewLifter · 07/09/2025 10:12

We recently were on holiday in England from another part of the UK and were taken aback at the amount of flags and painting on mini roundabouts etc. Also saw - in different towns! The same t-shirt being worn a few times. It had union flag print and said 'if you're offended by my t-shirt, I will help you pack'

Edgy 🙄

AlertLimeZebra · 07/09/2025 10:13

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DBSFstupid · 07/09/2025 10:18

TranceNation · 07/09/2025 09:27

It feels like so many people are loosing the plot at the moment, those on both sides of the flags craze. I swear so many people have come out of lockdown absolutely batshit bonkers.

😂

PestoHoliday · 07/09/2025 10:18

It's the shittest flag, isn't it - two red lines on a blank piece of paper. 1/10 for effort.

Wales, now that's a country with a flag worth flying. (See also Lebanon, Dominica, Albania, Bhutan etc)

DBSFstupid · 07/09/2025 10:20

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I agree.

If this is really someone ex Army then god help us.

OhNoNotSusan · 07/09/2025 10:20

even the Danish flag is more appealing

DBSFstupid · 07/09/2025 10:23

Keeho · 07/09/2025 09:19

YANBU. As white, english speaking immigrant I find them hostile. They signal "brown/black people unwelcome here"... "rich or poor, white racists welcome here".

Oh get over yourself. Ffs

DBSFstupid · 07/09/2025 10:25

KhakiTiger · 07/09/2025 09:23

The irony in this post is staggering.

If a non-white person was to go to another country and say they find the host country’s flag offensive, imagine how this would go down. Yet this post is written (presumably) with a straight face.

Some people like to think it’s their mission in life to be offended on behalf of others, whether others are offended are not.

It's unbelievable isn't it.

DBSFstupid · 07/09/2025 10:27

RobustPastry · 07/09/2025 09:55

You’re being pretty hostile to someone you know is an immigrant right there though. Why would that be?

Listen to yourself🙄

StandFirm · 07/09/2025 10:28

OhNoNotSusan · 07/09/2025 09:51

union jack flags look great
england flags remind me of the national front unfortunately, or football

I agree. I love the union jack.
The England flag should be always flown next to the other national flags in the union. And no, it's not the same as Scots flying the Saltire. Scotland was absorbed into the union and the partnership was never equal. English nationalism is a different beast, especially nowadays. I love England. I don't want its flag highjacked by far right ideology. Some flags have been tainted that way forever, such as the Confederate flag. I have old friends in the deep South. They love their state but they wouldn't fly that flag in their front yard.

whoboo · 07/09/2025 10:30

Where are all these Flags? I live on one of the shittest estates ever havent seen a single one

5128gap · 07/09/2025 10:31

Its not about the flags, is the intent behind them. Other than for football or national events, we have no history of displaying our flags here. This has happened as a result of a campaign begun by people with racist/nationalist intent. It's intended to be a statement in support of certain views that are hostile to certain groups.
I don't believe everyone who has jumped on the trend is hostile, they are just joining in, taking it at face value, without knowing the intent. I dare say people will lose interest in time. Its nearly time for the huge inflatable santas.