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Rayner Has Resigned

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usernamealreadytaken · 05/09/2025 12:02

AIBU to say it isn't unexpected, or a surprise?

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Kulwinder54 · 05/09/2025 13:15

TheWonderhorse · 05/09/2025 13:08

She hasn't been found to have lied. She was found to have been honest but should have followed advice to speak to a trust specialist. She should have absolutely done that, but it wasn't a scheme to dodge tax, she sought advice and did what they said, though she didn't follow the qualification added, so it was a failure to seek specialist advice. Not as innocent as some hoped and not guilty enough for others, so people will make their own facts up.

This is what gets on my nerves, nobody is prepared to read and digest and give a balanced opinion any more. It's so bloody infuriating, it's like reason has gone out the window entirely.

basically...she is not very clever. a not very clever person shouldn't really be deputy prime minister. i'm not taking a dig at her background/class/lack of academic qualifications...she's just not bright., and doesn't have the charisma to make up for that.

Springhare76 · 05/09/2025 13:16

KimberleyClark · 05/09/2025 12:15

Sad that she has had to go, but at the same time find it refreshing. It’s not so long ago we had a government who refused to resign over anything.

Edited

Are you kidding? Didn't Boris have to resign over a slice of cake whilst Kier was going far worse. Disgusting hypocrites.

LadyAldi · 05/09/2025 13:16

TheWonderhorse · 05/09/2025 13:12

Then you aren't talking about the report today, because there were no questions of her ethics in there.

Hi Angie's, PR 👋

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 13:16

Goldenbear · 05/09/2025 13:14

What are you saying, that there are shades of grey??!!!!

It’s not hard to get the specialist advice as advised

Also not hard to avoid lying re having got that advice.

EasyTouch · 05/09/2025 13:16

WitchesCauldron · 05/09/2025 12:27

Legally may not be wrong but morally very wrong.

The UK does not work on "morals".
The thing with morals, they are subjective.

Principles and legality are far better social parameters.

cumbriaisbest · 05/09/2025 13:16

Springhare76 · 05/09/2025 13:16

Are you kidding? Didn't Boris have to resign over a slice of cake whilst Kier was going far worse. Disgusting hypocrites.

Don't think it was cake what done it.

HPFA · 05/09/2025 13:16

Springhare76 · 05/09/2025 13:16

Are you kidding? Didn't Boris have to resign over a slice of cake whilst Kier was going far worse. Disgusting hypocrites.

Boris did not resign over "a slice of cake".

tartanhaggis7 · 05/09/2025 13:17

TOTAL hypocrite course she had to GO!!! pushed b4 getting sacked no doubt worked out a NICE payoff !!!!! she knew when interviewed limited time WAFFLED on FINAL straw when her so called EXPERT denied any advice given GUD ridderance hope this starts a chain reaction and MORE bugger off 😀

nomas · 05/09/2025 13:17

I bet that if she was told that she owes the higher rate of SDLT but with a caveat that this was not expert tax advice and she should obtain specific tax advice, she ruddy well would have obtained the expert tax advice 😂

StarlightRobot · 05/09/2025 13:17

@Goldplatedhinges That’s a really good question! Our mistake was completely honest and we were let down about our tax advisor who didn’t advise us about the timing. If HMRC had waived the fine and if the system was designed to be more flexible then would I be more forgiving of Rayner… Possibly, if it was clear that her mistake was also completely honest. But I still struggle with this because as someone as important as she is, she should have had this triple checked by the very top advisors. And the fact that Angela has hounded other politicians about their tax affairs makes it really difficult to be forgiving

TheWonderhorse · 05/09/2025 13:18

LadyAldi · 05/09/2025 13:16

Hi Angie's, PR 👋

Edited

That you think only Rayner's PR would give an accurate account of the report speaks volumes about you.

Springhare76 · 05/09/2025 13:18

Slabberon · 05/09/2025 12:18

It’s a shame because I do think she’s a good person and we need more WC politicians, but it was inevitable - she was either a bit dim, which I doubt, or taking advantage of a way to pay less tax and that really isn’t on.
The rest of us mugs pay our tax and are seldom troubled with the complications of what to do with our extra houses…

How is she a good person when she has committed tax fraud? If ANYONE else had done this, especially the tories, or even the general public, there would be a prosecution.

Goldenbear · 05/09/2025 13:18

Kulwinder54 · 05/09/2025 13:15

basically...she is not very clever. a not very clever person shouldn't really be deputy prime minister. i'm not taking a dig at her background/class/lack of academic qualifications...she's just not bright., and doesn't have the charisma to make up for that.

Well she definitely has 'charisma' let's face it, that is why Reform and Farage went after her, she was seen as a threat to his support.

LadyAldi · 05/09/2025 13:18

TheWonderhorse · 05/09/2025 13:18

That you think only Rayner's PR would give an accurate account of the report speaks volumes about you.

Oh, cool!

My2cents1975 · 05/09/2025 13:19

Do as I say not as I do.

Complete and utter hypocrisy from Ange!

Springhare76 · 05/09/2025 13:19

StarlightRobot · 05/09/2025 13:17

@Goldplatedhinges That’s a really good question! Our mistake was completely honest and we were let down about our tax advisor who didn’t advise us about the timing. If HMRC had waived the fine and if the system was designed to be more flexible then would I be more forgiving of Rayner… Possibly, if it was clear that her mistake was also completely honest. But I still struggle with this because as someone as important as she is, she should have had this triple checked by the very top advisors. And the fact that Angela has hounded other politicians about their tax affairs makes it really difficult to be forgiving

Funny the "mistake" saved her 40k?

LadyAldi · 05/09/2025 13:19

My2cents1975 · 05/09/2025 13:19

Do as I say not as I do.

Complete and utter hypocrisy from Ange!

Ins't it just?? Animal Farm indeed.
Glad she' gone.

Robin67 · 05/09/2025 13:19

TheQuirkyMaker · 05/09/2025 13:10

Who would you like in power? God help us if the grifters that comprise reform and got us into this mess through Brexit replace the present govt.

I personally could never vote for Labour as I disagreed with too many of their policies. However, the thought of a Reform government or Farage as pm, is rather terrifying.

Bagsintheboot · 05/09/2025 13:20

Goldenbear · 05/09/2025 13:14

What are you saying, that there are shades of grey??!!!!

Yes. Tax is law and law is constantly changing in response to changes in e.g. society, technology, and more importantly it changes in response to precedent set by cases brought which don't fit neatly into the current legislation, or where it is found that the current legislation is weak.

In most people's cases, tax affairs are straightforward and you could say they are black and white. But the idea that tax is a black and white thing is laughable. I once spent the best part of six months arguing the definition of a particular term with HMRC as it pertained to a particular clients case. They conceded in the end.

Purplecatshopaholic · 05/09/2025 13:21

Lying, hypocritical grifter, keen to get on and stay on the gravy train, while expecting the rest of us to do what she said, not what she did! Couldn’t stand her.

StarlightRobot · 05/09/2025 13:21

On a more positive note, I hope Wes Streeting becomes deputy PM. I really rate him (and I’m not even a labour voter).

Skipthisbit · 05/09/2025 13:22

TheWonderhorse · 05/09/2025 13:08

She hasn't been found to have lied. She was found to have been honest but should have followed advice to speak to a trust specialist. She should have absolutely done that, but it wasn't a scheme to dodge tax, she sought advice and did what they said, though she didn't follow the qualification added, so it was a failure to seek specialist advice. Not as innocent as some hoped and not guilty enough for others, so people will make their own facts up.

This is what gets on my nerves, nobody is prepared to read and digest and give a balanced opinion any more. It's so bloody infuriating, it's like reason has gone out the window entirely.

Ok - if we take party politics out of this entirely and form a balanced opinion.

An MP who has previously been “harassed by the right wing press” about potential wrong doing over her housing situation in the last year, is told not once but by two different professionals to seek specialist tax advice because her situation is complex but chooses not to.

Why? What possible reasons / mitigation / rationale would there be for that?

HPFA · 05/09/2025 13:22

"We want our government and MPs to have integrity".

Angela Rayner resigns over something that seems close to an honest mistake.

"It's a disaster for Labour. I will never vote for a party whose senior figures do the right thing".

Springhare76 · 05/09/2025 13:23

CaveMum · 05/09/2025 13:08

She was told to get specialist advice - Sir Laurie put it in his report:

The advice received was “qualified by the acknowledgement that it did not constitute expert tax advice and was accompanied by a suggestion, or in one case a recommendation, that specific tax advice be obtained.”

She chose not to do that, it was an active choice which, at best, is shockingly naive for a senior minister.

Even without tax advice, most of us know that you pay a higher rate of stamp duty on a second home and, logically, it was a second (or third) home and NOT her main residence.

nomas · 05/09/2025 13:23

Bagsintheboot · 05/09/2025 13:20

Yes. Tax is law and law is constantly changing in response to changes in e.g. society, technology, and more importantly it changes in response to precedent set by cases brought which don't fit neatly into the current legislation, or where it is found that the current legislation is weak.

In most people's cases, tax affairs are straightforward and you could say they are black and white. But the idea that tax is a black and white thing is laughable. I once spent the best part of six months arguing the definition of a particular term with HMRC as it pertained to a particular clients case. They conceded in the end.

In most people's cases, tax affairs are straightforward and you could say they are black and white.

Most people don't have access to the resources Rayner does.

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