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Rayner Has Resigned

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usernamealreadytaken · 05/09/2025 12:02

AIBU to say it isn't unexpected, or a surprise?

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LakieLady · 05/09/2025 13:00

WitchesofPainswick · 05/09/2025 12:26

She broke the rules because the rules are massively complicated: I wouldn't have thought her Hove flat was a second home when she had no rights to the house she left in a divorce. It's hardly a loophole: it's a detailed technicality.

I can't get my head round that either.

On one of the news channels, someone was saying that because she was a trustee, she still counted as owning the Ashton house even though she'd sold her share to the trust.

OriginalUsername2 · 05/09/2025 13:00

SleeplessInWherever · 05/09/2025 12:56

That has got nothing to do with her family or children.

If I make a mistake, intentional or otherwise, nobody would harass my children about it.

There is absolutely no need for the media to dig up the medical history of a complex needs child, or rake through someone’s divorce.

Spray the house is threatening behaviour, and it’s out of line. She’s been frightened out, and it’s disgusting.

The media are fucking horrible.

What does spray the house mean?

AlertLimeZebra · 05/09/2025 13:00

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usernamealreadytaken · 05/09/2025 13:01

WildCats24 · 05/09/2025 12:41

If your political views are so offensive that you get banned from social media, perhaps it’s time for a bit of self-reflection.

@AmericanPaint never mentioned a ban from SM; I took it they were alluding to the pile on from the flying monkeys who would disagree even if she said it’s because Reform think the sky is blue.

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Sdpbody · 05/09/2025 13:01

I hope her children will have to move schools because of this. Give them some extra turbulence like she expected private school children to do. Vile women. Vile political party.

TizerorFizz · 05/09/2025 13:02

@LakieLady She is on the deeds for a property held in trust. She raised money based on that ownership. When the tax was due, her newly purchased flat was a second property.

AmericanPaint · 05/09/2025 13:02

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Ironically, I just had one from you.

skippy67 · 05/09/2025 13:02

Goldplatedhinges · 05/09/2025 13:00

If you had gotten sympathy from HMRC would you have had sympathy for Angela?

I think we can guess the answer to that one...

tramtracks · 05/09/2025 13:03

LakieLady · 05/09/2025 13:00

I can't get my head round that either.

On one of the news channels, someone was saying that because she was a trustee, she still counted as owning the Ashton house even though she'd sold her share to the trust.

It’s very very very simple. As a trustee of a trust which owns a residence for children under 18 - that counts as such for stamp duty. Thus had been mentioned many many times in the press and on here. It’s not complicated and takes a 2 min look at the HMRC website.

myfitbitisfucked · 05/09/2025 13:03

Angela Rayner was quite happy to throw someone else under the bus to avoid rightly
being dragged under it herself.

even more unpalatable - some might say - is that she built a career based on rightly despising the antics she’s been exposed as getting up to herself.

CandidOP · 05/09/2025 13:03

Sometimes I do despair of the gullibility of those who read the rabid right wing press. They have been trying to get her out for over a year. The last time they said she had avoided tax HMRC confirmed that actually she hadn’t so they just kept going. Do any of of us think that the fact that she is a powerful women who managed to make it from the working class to a position of power had anything to do with that? How very dare she say the Mail the Express and the Telegraph. A woman with a northern accent as deputy prime minister. Not having that. Interestingly today the Telegraph tax columnist a former accountant seemed to suggest he wouldn’t have known the right answer either! I have in the past relied on stamp duty advice from my conveyancing solicitor nothing written down just verbal assurances. The Ethics investigation said she had acted with integrity so that seems to suggest that they knew she wasn’t just telling porkies to save money. #justsayin.

Alexandra2001 · 05/09/2025 13:03

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 12:54

A shame she she lied and has dropped her own salary by half and will likely be out at next GE. Blaming everyone else won’t help.

Yes Whilst we will rarely agree on anything, on this, its totally her fault and i have to say, i did think this earlier, knowing a little about HMRC rules, it does look like she thought she could save 40k.
Doubtless HMRC will act accordingly.

She was told get advice, didn't.... 100% on her own head.

CaveMum · 05/09/2025 13:03

CautiousLurker01 · 05/09/2025 12:45

DH was at cricket with mates yesterday and one of them knows the conveyancers well, personally and professionally, and his observations (as a left leaning Yorskshireman) was that there is no way they got their advice wrong… unless they were lied to in which case they can only advise on the basis of the ‘facts’ they are presented with.

Am glad she has gone, too. She’ll still have a job as deputy leader of the LP, she just won’t have a role in government, so it’s not like she’s been given her P45 and needs to worry about keeping all those roofs over her head, is it?

Nope she has resigned as Deputy too. She is now a basic backbench MP.

CaroleLandis · 05/09/2025 13:04

Angela Out. Rayner resigns as Secretary of State for Housing, Communities and Local Government and as Deputy Prime Minister.

Since false statements for tax evasion are a form of fraud and a criminal offence, and resignation an admission of guilt, can we expect criminal proceedings regarding her crime?

Or will it be that senior Labour politicians are immune to the law regarding tax evasion in the same way that minor Labour politicians are immune to the law regarding incitement to violence?

It would be nice to have some clarity on how many laws Labour and their favoured groups and individuals can ignore.

I expect the plan is a swiftly concluded period of remorse, followed by a return to the Cabinet in 6-9 months, following the Mandelson template from the Blair years.

Such a pity the Judith ‘batshit crazy’ Wood article in the Telegraph telling us how Rayner is whip smart couldn’t save her, or the heartstrings tugging Mirror one about her disabled son, or the Suzanne Moore one also in the Telegraph about how nasty men are attacking her because they want to fuck her.

Not that there was a coordinated MSM defence play or anything…..

I wonder how many houses she will get in the severance package? 😂😂. -Daniel Jupp

Robin67 · 05/09/2025 13:04

DemelzaandRoss · 05/09/2025 12:36

Lots of vitriol here.
Angela Rayner overcame more than any of you will ever know in your lifetimes.
Nobody knows the true story as the media hate any person who has bettered themselves.
She has been hated for speaking with a regional accent by so called upper classes.
They can’t stand the thought of a working class oik doing well.
She is hated by the working class as they are jealous of her.
It was always going to end badly irrespective of any perceived scandal.

This is a very amusing post. Angela and co hate anyone who has bettered themselves. Hence the financial pillaging of the middle class. I actually don't hate her and I think that the British political landscape is better for the population it serves if it contains a more diverse breadth of backgrounds. But she would be the first in-line to take down any Tory politician who had done the same. And she would be brutal and unrelenting about it.

Bumblebee72 · 05/09/2025 13:04

Good. Another step towards the Reform Government we need to get this country sorted out. She was only there because of the unions in the first place.

usernamealreadytaken · 05/09/2025 13:05

TheWonderhorse · 05/09/2025 12:43

Um, do all of you actually pay attention to what is being reported. The report he was indeed advised twice that what she did was correct, although because one of the advisors suggested she consult a trust specialist and she didn't, that's the problem. She was not found to have lied at all, she made a mistake and she's owned it. Fine.

Farage is the doing opposite, it's legal but morally it's still scummy as fuck.

The report shows that she was advised to take additional specialist advice due to the complex nature of her situation, and she chose not to do so, which demonstrates a significant lack of good judgment in complex legal situations. How on earth could anybody have ever thought she was fit to run the country, when she would not act on sound legal advice?

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EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 13:06

OriginalUsername2 · 05/09/2025 13:00

The media are fucking horrible.

What does spray the house mean?

Do you feel the same re the media and Conservative etc politicians?

SeagullSam2027 · 05/09/2025 13:06

CandidOP · 05/09/2025 13:03

Sometimes I do despair of the gullibility of those who read the rabid right wing press. They have been trying to get her out for over a year. The last time they said she had avoided tax HMRC confirmed that actually she hadn’t so they just kept going. Do any of of us think that the fact that she is a powerful women who managed to make it from the working class to a position of power had anything to do with that? How very dare she say the Mail the Express and the Telegraph. A woman with a northern accent as deputy prime minister. Not having that. Interestingly today the Telegraph tax columnist a former accountant seemed to suggest he wouldn’t have known the right answer either! I have in the past relied on stamp duty advice from my conveyancing solicitor nothing written down just verbal assurances. The Ethics investigation said she had acted with integrity so that seems to suggest that they knew she wasn’t just telling porkies to save money. #justsayin.

The ethics investigation concluded that she had breached the ministerial code.

Panama2 · 05/09/2025 13:06

It’s so much easier being in opposition

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 13:06

CandidOP · 05/09/2025 13:03

Sometimes I do despair of the gullibility of those who read the rabid right wing press. They have been trying to get her out for over a year. The last time they said she had avoided tax HMRC confirmed that actually she hadn’t so they just kept going. Do any of of us think that the fact that she is a powerful women who managed to make it from the working class to a position of power had anything to do with that? How very dare she say the Mail the Express and the Telegraph. A woman with a northern accent as deputy prime minister. Not having that. Interestingly today the Telegraph tax columnist a former accountant seemed to suggest he wouldn’t have known the right answer either! I have in the past relied on stamp duty advice from my conveyancing solicitor nothing written down just verbal assurances. The Ethics investigation said she had acted with integrity so that seems to suggest that they knew she wasn’t just telling porkies to save money. #justsayin.

She blew it.

Watermelonhigh · 05/09/2025 13:07

It was only a matter of time before the media found labour’s skeletons in their closets, it’s basically what the media do as soon as any party comes to power.

They did it to the Conservatives too and labour, including Rayner were quick to put the knife in, so what goes around comes around.

i think the media probably have a lot up their sleeves in terms of stories which they will drip feed to get rid of labour, then it will switch onto whoever is next in power.

Basically it seems very few politicians are to be trusted and are in the job for the wrong reasons, which is sad but hardly surprising.

ajandjjmum · 05/09/2025 13:07

DPotter · 05/09/2025 12:57

Well I think it's shame.

She was hounded out by a bunch of tory hypocrites and their media flunkies.

None so blind as them that will not see.......

Wilfulignoranceabounds · 05/09/2025 13:07

olderandnonthewiser · 05/09/2025 12:08

Shouldnt be an MP either imo. Liars and cheats shouldn’t be in office.

Who does that leave us with, then?!

Alexandra2001 · 05/09/2025 13:07

CandidOP · 05/09/2025 13:03

Sometimes I do despair of the gullibility of those who read the rabid right wing press. They have been trying to get her out for over a year. The last time they said she had avoided tax HMRC confirmed that actually she hadn’t so they just kept going. Do any of of us think that the fact that she is a powerful women who managed to make it from the working class to a position of power had anything to do with that? How very dare she say the Mail the Express and the Telegraph. A woman with a northern accent as deputy prime minister. Not having that. Interestingly today the Telegraph tax columnist a former accountant seemed to suggest he wouldn’t have known the right answer either! I have in the past relied on stamp duty advice from my conveyancing solicitor nothing written down just verbal assurances. The Ethics investigation said she had acted with integrity so that seems to suggest that they knew she wasn’t just telling porkies to save money. #justsayin.

Yes the Tory press will hound Lab politicians, thats a given, they have it in for Reeves too, who has a v different background.

So why the xxxx ignore advice to run by her SLDT position with an expert?

Lammy not getting a fishing licence is an oversight, saving 40k in tax needs to be checked and double checked, again and again.

She has been a bloody fool.

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