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AIBU?

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to expect our secretary to find an address in a file herself?

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gininteacups · 01/06/2008 08:37

Probably get slated for this but hey ho I need some good old honest mumsnet perspective before I go and involve a manager at work and the shit really hits the fan...so here goes!

I work in a small team of 5 people of these 5 one does the same job as me and one is the admin for our team. The admin and the one that does my job are friends outside work and have both worked at the job for a long time (admin 15 years colleague 9yrs - Ive been there a year and a half) so are very "settled" shall we say in the job.

cutting to the chase - basically the admin shouted at me last week in front of an office full of people for "throwing work at her and treating her like shit". After much upset on both sides I asked to speak to her to try and understand what it is I have done wrong. Basically her problem has been that when I have given her work to do I will pass her a client file with a note pinned to the front saying please can you write to this person saying x,y,z - so this means she must look inside the file, find the up to date address and write the letter. She states I should write out a letter in full with address and she will then type it as its my responsibility to ensure the correct info is on there and she just types it.

My problem with this is that it would basically mean I am handwriting the letter to give it to her to type - If I'm going to do that I may as well type it myself - which I what I do most of the time anyway - I only ever give her work when I am too busy to type it myself - hence the quick note rather than the full written out letter!

Now my problem is - I really cant cope with any more crap off this woman - there are other issues as well too boring and long to put here - so I feel I need to tell my manager whats going on - but the admin is close friends with my direct colleague who is also very pally with my manager (more so than me) I know for a fact that he (colleague) will defend the admin if I tell the manager.

So mumsnet what do you think - AIBU and should I tell the manager whats going on given the dynamics of all the relationships?

Am really thorughly miserable at work and feel like getting a job in a local shop to escape all this bollocks, its hard to get accorss on here all the other subtle crap I am getting so it sounds a bit petty but this is the main issue I would need to take to a manager so please give me your opinions!

TIA

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gininteacups · 01/06/2008 09:54

I have only ever said nice stuff about the admin to him and just expressed how confused and upset I am rather than "oh what a bitch" or anything along those lines. I am honestly horrified its turned out like this as I have tried so hard to ignore the crap and be nice to her.

I feel very isolated now which is why I considered telling a manager butnhaving read twigletts stuff (who is obviously a manager) am not sure this is wise esp since its unlikely my "story" will be corroborated by colleague

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gininteacups · 01/06/2008 09:58

Hatty - I have done similar - took her home every day for a week - totally out of my way - not going in right direction for me to get home when her car was off the road - about 4 weeks before the shouting incident.

Not sure my work is transferable to freelance but I could work for an agency (think they may be more trouble than its worth though?)

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hunkermunker · 01/06/2008 10:00

Nah, Gin, Twiglett's a SAHM - tell her it's the hardest job in the world and you couldn't do it - she loves that

Actually, she's got masses of experience in this sort of thing and is uberwise in manners of personnel management.

chenin · 01/06/2008 10:04

Giving her lifts and being so nice to her and now this? That is soo unfair Gin. I have bucketfuls of rightous indignation on your behalf (cos I can't offer Twiglett's level of expertise )

gininteacups · 01/06/2008 10:05

LOL Hunker, she sounds uberwise and v professional - far more so than me...I feel like lying down and dying rather than going to HR TBH !

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llareggub · 01/06/2008 10:05

Don't go to HR as a first resort. I would suggest that your first action needs to be a quiet word with the admin person. If that isn't satisfactory, then speak to your manager.

I would only suggest you speak to HR about this if the above fails and you want advice about raising a formal grievance. Obviously it depends on where you work but it is unusual for HR to be the ones who sort this sort of stuff out. It is the manager's responsibility.

hattyyellow · 01/06/2008 10:06

Blimey! She obviously isn't trying to make things work in return.

I think you have to stop playing nice. Because she's not. And just think about what you ultimately want to happen.

Your management have to stop being so matey and listen to you and you need someone else who's impartial to help. If you are prepared to leave over it then at least you can go for it without worrying about losing your job.

And try not to get emotional. Become a robot who just sticks to regurgitating HR-speak. I got a lot further when I rallied around and got an HR friend to tell me what to say and how to respond rather than getting tearful and indignant.

Or you could just grin and bear it and look for a new job as quickly as possible? Agency work might be good, it depends how much comes up in your area. Even phoning around to find out helps you feel more positive and like you have options.

gininteacups · 01/06/2008 10:07

Helliebean - wish my admin support was like you I honestly just want to get along with her but she doesn't appear to want to get along with me I am scared in case I do something else without realising I have insulted her

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findtheriver · 01/06/2008 10:08

gina I manage other people as part of my job, and I dont think you are being unreasonable. A good manager will set aside the personal issues and look at the actual problem.

gininteacups · 01/06/2008 10:08

Hatty you are right I am going to start looking today any one know any good jobs websites?

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findtheriver · 01/06/2008 10:09

sorry just realised you're not gina... you're gin!!

gininteacups · 01/06/2008 10:10

findtheriver hope my manager takes your attitude and not Twigletts (sorry Twigg no offence meant )that would make life much easier!

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gininteacups · 01/06/2008 10:11
Grin
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chenin · 01/06/2008 10:13

Gin... awww thank you! What is the point in going into work to be miserable - she sounds like one of those people that even if life was hunky dory, she would still have a prob. But you cannot let her drive you out, without a fight. As hattyyellow put it.. if you might leave anyway, go for it (well, she put it much better than that, but you know what I mean!)

gininteacups · 01/06/2008 10:19

helliebean - I know what you mean - I think I am frightened of looking like a troublemaker though

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BecauseImWorthIt · 01/06/2008 10:26

Can I throw my sixpennyworth in?

I no longer work in an office, or for anyone else - hurrah! - but I do remember how awful office politics can be.

In my last company I had an executive role, and we had secretaries who supported 3 or 4 people, so I had to manage my own quarter of a secretary. I had the additional responsibility of managing all the secretarial and support staff in the company. I've also been a secretary, so perhaps can see things from both sides.

Based on bitter personal experience, the first thing I would say, which might sound horribly politically incorrect, is to ask you "what would a man do"?

The reason for that is that men - IME and IMO - are much, much less likely to get involved in the emotions of any office relationship, and they are often much more able to set clear boundaries between work and leisure.

Stop worrying about being nice or pleasant to this woman, as she is obviously only using this against you.

Stop confiding in your colleague. He will not help you - indeed he may well make things worse for you.

Be professional, be calm, be clear and above all be fair and consistent.

Make sure that you know what her role/responsiblities are. It may seem trivial, but if it's not her job to type a letter like this, then you are being unfair. (I can't think that this would be the case, but make sure you do know what you can/can't ask her to do for you).

Then do your job and manage her so that she does what you need from her.

If she kicks off, deal with it calmly and make it very clear by the way that you respond that it is she who is being ridiculous. Shouting at you in the middle of the office is childish and immature. But how did you handle it? Did you get drawn in? Did you respond? Or did you say something like "when you have finished, perhaps you would like to come into my office and tell me what is wrong?" i.e. being cool and superior, without getting involved.

You don't have to be liked to get on in an organisation - but somehow we always want to be liked. It is a very human need.

But we do need to be respected. Which is why knowing what her role allows/does not cover is vital - along with appropriate communication.

Don't go to HR with this as this will give them evidence that it is you who can't behave as a manager.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I think you have allowed emotions and feelings to cloud what should be a very simple part of the office dynamic.

chenin · 01/06/2008 10:27

I know what you mean.. I am all talk at times and it is very easy to 'advise' on here but being in the situation is a totally different thing. It wears you down and wakes you at night. But you know you have to clear the air because as much as you can push things under the carpet and hope they go away... they don't! And her and her moods will rear its ugly head again. So you need to clear the air with her.

What about the other work colleagues doing similar job to you (not twat man!) but I think you said there weree 5 in total? Have they a problem with her.. can you get them on side a bit? Play dirty if necessary.. daft bint admin woman is.. she is relying on her friendship with twat man to keep her out of trouble...

chenin · 01/06/2008 10:30

Oh oh oh BecauseImworthit.. why couldnt I have written that post boohoo?!! Fantastic advice!

Twiglett · 01/06/2008 10:50

good post BecauseImWorthIt .. very good post

pinkmook · 01/06/2008 10:59

BIWI - I am not actually a mananger - or anywhere near a manager! We just have admin support to the role. (hope that doesn't sound snippy, not intended to)

The other people in the team do not have their admin done by this person and are not in the office much so dont have a lot to do with her.

Some of the other managers (not ours) have tried to get this admin person to move out of this role as I suspect they think she is not doing much work. But because of the relationship between the male colleague and the manager of our team, our manager has always defended her role and kept her in there. Ever since I started there, there have been attempts to move her out (nothing to do with me BTW)

I wonder if they see more of what is going on than I imagine?

pinkmook · 01/06/2008 11:11

Oh forgot to answer this bit - How did I handle it?

I stayed silent through the whole rant, which felt like it went on forever, probably wih a look of upset and horror on my face then said "X I had no idea you felt like this" by then I was going to cry so I got got up and walked away. I did think about responding more fully but we work in an open plan huge office with everyone looking on at the side show so I just went off for a bit and had a cry.

I spoke to another colleague who witnessed the thing close up and she just said Its clear you have not been horrible to X, X has a lot of issues of her own.

I then asked X to come to an empty private office, apologised to her profusely for making her feel this way but explained I had no idea and asked her to go through what I had done to upset her I had a pen and paper to make notes but there was very little to write down. By the end of this discussion she was saying look forget about it - I will - wont be losing any sleep over it, dont think about you out of work - as she could see I was genuinely upset to have made someone feel like this. But I said she must have been very upset to react as she did but she brushed it off - it was very confusing and I left not feeling I had clarified anything.

I have followed that up since by reassuring her her that I want her to feel its OK to pull me up if I do anything else or give work to her in a way she feels is inappropriate.

It still all feels very confusing and unresolved though. Oops just outed my usual posting name - not that anyone probably knows who I am anyway!!

gininteacups · 01/06/2008 11:17

Thats better - feel anonymous again now [deluding herself anyone knows who she is anyway emnoticon]

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unknownrebelbang · 01/06/2008 11:19

Interesting that other managers have suggested she be moved.

I think after 15 years in the same role, a move for her wouldn't be a bad idea, tbh.

hattyyellow · 01/06/2008 11:24

I think it sounds like you handled it well. I don't blame you for going off to cry - particulary if it was out of the blue!

How long ago did her shouting at you happen? Did you say things have been better since? I think I'd have felt awful at first and tried to make things okay as you did - and then got home, mulled it over and felt really irate that she had treated me like this in the first place. Did she actually apologise for her outburst?

I think it's a hard balance for anyone to achieve to be approachable without being walked all over...

gininteacups · 01/06/2008 11:25

she has not been in the current role for 15 yrs (9 yrs in current role - has been admin there for 15 yrs though) but yes I think 9 yrs is a long time and other managers are always trying to get her to take on other tasks as it seems they dont believe she has a lot to do

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