Angela Rayner tax fail

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But it’s ok because she was just badly advised.
I’ll remember that excuse next time I fill in my tax return.

But still confused about one can have 2 main homes?

An inept and a proven liar, leader of the opposition is being bullied at PMQs but all ok to bully Rayner ?

PMQs is theatre, a bearpit, don't become a party leader if you cannot cut it.

Look at Sunak calling an SNP MP fatty, Bojo ridiculing a Lab female being harassed, Cameron mocking a female MP.... the mocking Abbot continues to get....

Total irrelevance to the effect on the housing market. Any excuse.

Maybe you have some stats @BunnyMcDougall because you have to be extremely wealthy to run three homes.

@Blossomtoes
Her flat is at the other end of the country from her constituency! Why would you have a flat so far from DC? Unless it’s just for holidays? Many MPs have a constituency house and a residence in London. Anything else isn’t a family house. They don’t all have a third residence.

She has a seat which is likely to be taken by reform at the next election. There is a suspicion that not only is this flat near her boyfriend but that she is eyeing up the hove/brighton seat.

Exactly my point. Nesting is for the privileged “us versus them” crowd. You know…Labour politicians.

I think she's had it for the Hove Brighton seat. Maybe she will defect to Reform. It's probably her best chance.

I guess running 3 homes is much more doable if you’ve had a payout from when you sued the NHS. Can someone remind me exactly where those payout funds came from?

She’s got form for being a piss taking chancer. Remember the £250 air pods she claimed on expenses? And check this out, she harassed staff at a shoe shop with House of Commons headed notepaper because she couldn’t be arsed to queue with the commoners for some £195 shoes and expected the store to just give her some🤣 Vile, entitled woman. This will be the tip of the iceberg.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/mps-star-wars-r2-d2-10409810

@tramtracks So the dc just left behind in Manchester then?

Not very ‘socialist’. She’s only holding on as she doesn’t want the big drop in pay and wants to stay on the gravy train.

Mother of the Year 😂

Most, if not all, parents with a child with disabilities that mean they will need lifelong support caused by errors or neglect would seek compensation from the hospital. It’s incredibly hard to successfully sue and requires a lengthy process. The decision is made by several independent experts. It’s really below the belt to suggest this was wrong. This is a child who could live to be 80 needing care and will never lead a normal life. How despicable to criticise the parents of a disabled child for safeguarding their future.

Well… they co parent apparently. God knows how she manages this - with 3 homes in 3 different locations, a full time job, and an on off boyfriend with very young children of his own.

Totally agree that the payout seems totally legit and deserved. However, what I feel weird is that the payout seems to have been used to pay AR out of her share to then fund a flat hundreds of miles away near her boyfriend. That to me doesn’t seem best use of the money. If it was me I would be signing over my share without payment.Or at most, buying a flat near by so that I could be available. Just saying it feels like that sum of money is only benefiting her, not him.

I wouldn’t say it’s wrong to do so.
And I certainly don’t think the public need to know the ins and outs of the situation because it’s none of our business. However, this poor lads own mother has dragged his private life into the spotlight to try and save her own skin, so here we are.

What I find confusing (but again none of my business) is that the doctors originally said he was too premature and wouldn’t survive initially but miraculously he was able to be saved. That’s what Rayner herself has said. Why then would you sue? She praised the NHS staff in the past for saving his life. 🤔

I think it was Jade Goody who had a case to sue the NHS doctors who missed her cancer but she didn’t think it was the right thing to do to sue them.

She cannot survive. Gone this weekend is the only option for Kier. Jump or push, she’s on the gang plank now.
Fiddling £40k is unforgivable.

As Clarkson said ‘If she doesn’t know this, what else doesn’t she know?’

Like many people, she was promoted one place above her capabilities.

Let’s be real. She barely sees her children.

And you know this how? You know as much about Rayner’s family arrangements as about mine, ie zilch.

Why then would you sue?

Because her son could live to be 80 with lifelong care needs costing millions. Why wouldn’t you sue if the disability is the result of neglect? The lynch mob really is going into overdrive now.

Is that you, Angela? Shouldn’t you be working grifting?

How did she seriously think that didn’t apply to her?

Grow up.

Did Rayner say “bad advice”? I’ve only seen that in the follow on stories. “Wrong advice” (which is what I’ve seen in official sources) can be given in good faith.

Multiple posters have described the complexity around stamp duty where there is a child trust involved and property in trust for the child. As I said, my iLs nearly fell foul of this and as a friend who is a (Tory voting) KC in trust law pointed out to me - the Hove property was for residential use and the only property she owns. She had no financial stake in the Manchester property so that answer to the standard “do you have any other properties” would correctly be “no”. Unlike ChatGPT upthread his view was that its very easy to get this wrong between two sets of solicitors with two different specialisms involved in two different transactions. He would use a stamp duty tax expert on this, I’ve no idea if the conveyancers did. Obviously though, he should retire and let Chat GPT deal with the cases

There is also the question as to why anyone should pay second property stamp duty on their only mortgaged/owned property unless its for commercial use. Take the politics out of it and you have a parent of a disabled child spending a chunk of their time with the disabled child in the child’s trust owned adapted property and for the rest owns their own home.

The stamp duty issue around a child trust is complex, the rules around MPs’ residences are complex (and long overdue for sorting out). I can see how honest mistakes caused this in what is an extremely niche situation. She could well be the only tax payer in the country in her precise situation.

"How despicable to criticise the parents of a disabled child for safeguarding their future."

I agree. Whatever people might think of her tax affairs, any parent of a disabled child would sue the NHS if it would secure their child's future.

The exposé of her avoidance of 2nd home stamp duty has opened a can of worms. She and her partner previously sold 50% of their house to the son's trust fund. Now she has sold her 25%. The son would have stayed in the house before this as his trust owned half so it wasn't to ensure he was housed for life . He has not benefitted from the latest deal. She, however has gained £162,500 which is exactly what she needed for a 20/80 LTV mortgage on her new 800k Hove flat. She and her husbands are trustees of her son's trust fund which was set up with huge compensation they received by suing the NHS. This is for his lifelong care as he is disabled, and trustees are bound to act in his interests. How is taking money from his trust to buy 20% of a home in Hove 250 miles away, in his interests? What 3rd trustee signed off on this? According to locals, the house in Ashton was also overvalued, as this was needed to ensure the 25% of her share amounted to the 20% needed as deposit for Hove. Had she waited until he was 18 ( this next year) the original stamp duty payment would have been legal, however, at 18 he would have control of his trust and may have refused to release the funds, also by clearing out his trust fund by the time he is an adult he can also claim all the state benefits to which he is entitled so not such a daft move.The NHS compo pay out was for his lifelong care, not to pay off his parents' mortgage nor buy a love nest in Brighton. She has insisted she took legal advice regarding the stamp duty; her conveyancing company have furiously denied this. Who gave her the legal advice regarding raiding his trust fund and how much did the trust pay for the first 50% of the Ashton home and was it at fair market value then? Who put the court order in place to ensure confidentiality regarding her family's financial affairs and why? Couple this with her not paying CGT on her previous council home which she bought through the RTB scheme, insisting itwas her primary home it was her primary home ( when all evidence shows her brother lived there and she elsewhere with her then partner and kids) and it's clear she's a Con artist. This will really test the PM's mettle. The OPG should also look into whether there has been abuse of the trust by the trustees who have not had the beneficiary's best interests at heart, and honoured their fiduciary duties. She should resign immediately.