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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 2025-09-03T11:56:44+00:00

But it’s ok because she was just badly advised. I’ll remember that excuse next time I fill in my tax return. But still confused about one can have 2 main homes?

EasternStandard · 04/09/2025 22:23

GoodPudding · 04/09/2025 22:22

I agree that if you’re going to be sanctimonious and accusatory of others as a politician then you’d better be squeaky clean in everything you do…

But there’s nothing necessarily wrong with tax avoidance (as distinct from evasion)… Anyone who pays into a pension, has an ISA or buys ‘duty free’ at the airport is avoiding tax!

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She did get it wrong hence owing £40k

Livelovebehappy · 04/09/2025 22:27

Thyra123 · 04/09/2025 21:23

Shes not a socialist so she won’t be invited to the new party 😂

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She is absolutely a socialist! And she was once in corbyns shadow cabinet. Maybe theyve not seen eye to eye in recent years, but i think theres a chance. Watch this space...

GoodPudding · 04/09/2025 22:27

EasternStandard · 04/09/2025 22:14

It appears to have moved on since then. Both practices blamed have issued statements. She has lied pretty much.

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Yes, from what I’ve been reading just now that seems more and more likely to be the case…

GoodPudding · 04/09/2025 22:31

EasternStandard · 04/09/2025 22:23

She did get it wrong hence owing £40k

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Well that’s “tax evasion” then and she should pay it.

My point was there’s nothing inherently wrong with “tax avoidance” - we all do it, and it’s even positively encouraged by the Government in many forms (pensions, ISA etc).

TeenagersAngst · 04/09/2025 22:33

Papyrophile · 04/09/2025 20:41

I don't dislike Rayner, and I have immense respect for her achievement, and I think she has probably tried to do the right thing for her disabled child and her family with an eye on the very long term, past her own death. While I disagree with her politically on every level, in this situation I would give her the benefit of the doubt. I don't think she has set out to cheat the tax rules here. Written as a Tory.

Not once has she given a Tory politician the benefit of the doubt.

Keir Starmer was asked five times by Chris Mason at the BBC if he’d sack a minister who had broken the ministerial code and he didn’t answer. What an eejit.

Whammyyammy · 04/09/2025 22:33

Hopefully her resignation tomorrow....

GoodPudding · 04/09/2025 22:35

ScrollingLeaves · 04/09/2025 20:53

It may be anything but identical inside.

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Since when does the interior of a house double its value?! Ok, you may be able to cite some obscure case when some place had gold plated ceilings and diamond encrusted door handles, but it’s extremely suspicious.

Badbadbunny · 04/09/2025 22:35

Thyra123 · 04/09/2025 21:36

You’re entitled to your opinion but reading that you considered Sunak a morally decent person made me nearly fall off my chair 😂 Sunak might not have shouted about austerity, but he certainly delivered it. He cut Universal Credit by £20 a week, froze public sector pay, squeezed councils to the brink of bankruptcy, and loaded taxes like National Insurance onto ordinary families. He’s responsible for deepening the cost-of-living crisis.

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He also excluded 3 Million self employed, freelancers and temp workers from covid support schemes!

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 04/09/2025 22:35

GoodPudding · 04/09/2025 22:31

Well that’s “tax evasion” then and she should pay it.

My point was there’s nothing inherently wrong with “tax avoidance” - we all do it, and it’s even positively encouraged by the Government in many forms (pensions, ISA etc).

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No there’s nothing wrong with tax avoidance, unless you are someone who made their career on calling other people scum for doing it and are part of a party trying to squeeze every last penny out of everyone else.

CandidLurker · 04/09/2025 22:36

Livelovebehappy · 04/09/2025 22:27

She is absolutely a socialist! And she was once in corbyns shadow cabinet. Maybe theyve not seen eye to eye in recent years, but i think theres a chance. Watch this space...

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Socialists believe in common ownership. Many socialists did not take up the opportunity of Right to Buy of council houses based on their socialist principles.

EasternStandard · 04/09/2025 22:37

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 04/09/2025 22:35

No there’s nothing wrong with tax avoidance, unless you are someone who made their career on calling other people scum for doing it and are part of a party trying to squeeze every last penny out of everyone else.

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That’s not this though otherwise she wouldn’t owe the £40k

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 04/09/2025 22:38

CandidLurker · 04/09/2025 22:36

Socialists believe in common ownership. Many socialists did not take up the opportunity of Right to Buy of council houses based on their socialist principles.

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In theory yes, but in practice AR is a typical example of a socialist.

RoseGlass7 · 04/09/2025 22:40

I'm shocked that she hasn't fallen on her sword. Why hasn't Starner sacked her? How bad can this get?

Plantatreetoday · 04/09/2025 22:44

GoodPudding · 04/09/2025 22:31

Well that’s “tax evasion” then and she should pay it.

My point was there’s nothing inherently wrong with “tax avoidance” - we all do it, and it’s even positively encouraged by the Government in many forms (pensions, ISA etc).

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It’s not tax avoidance
Tax avoidance is using legal loopholes to pay less tax

She hasn’t used any loopholes she’s lied about her property ownership
Shes overvalued hee sons trust property to take £80k more than she had a right to.

Neither of these are loopholes or matters of avoidance

Shes also declared two different properties at the same time to different authorities as her primary residence .

Doing basically whatever suits her

Whammyyammy · 04/09/2025 22:49

RoseGlass7 · 04/09/2025 22:40

I'm shocked that she hasn't fallen on her sword. Why hasn't Starner sacked her? How bad can this get?

She's riding the gravy train and doesn't want it to end.
Stsrmer has no backbone or leadership skills.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 04/09/2025 22:58

Whammyyammy · 04/09/2025 22:49

She's riding the gravy train and doesn't want it to end.
Stsrmer has no backbone or leadership skills.

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She’s just taken on a big mortgage and some idiots have messed up the employment market with tax rises and an enormous amount of upcoming employment law change everyone has to implement, she’s probably thought to herself it’s not a great time to be looking for a job.

1apenny2apenny · 04/09/2025 22:59

She cried because she got caught and she fears she’s going to be chucked off the gravy train. Let’s face it she should be sacked but it will be of no surprise to me if she isn’t. Starmer is running weak and incompetent government.

Searching4Alpha · 04/09/2025 23:01

Wildly over-promoted.

Found out.

EasternStandard · 04/09/2025 23:03

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 04/09/2025 22:58

She’s just taken on a big mortgage and some idiots have messed up the employment market with tax rises and an enormous amount of upcoming employment law change everyone has to implement, she’s probably thought to herself it’s not a great time to be looking for a job.

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Yep welcome to Labour’s policies in reality

Searching4Alpha · 04/09/2025 23:06

I just checked, as it was troubling me.

Ms Rayner didn’t need to consult anyone - the rules are written clear as day on the Gov website which she as Deputy PM should be reading at the very least:

If any of you will own, or part own more than one residential property worth £40,000 or more, you will have to pay the higher rates on your new purchase (unless there is another reason why the higher rates do not apply). Include any residential property that: is owned on behalf of children under the age of 18 (parents are treated as the owners even if the property is held through a trust and they are not the trustees) you have an interest in as the beneficiary of a trust

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/stamp-duty-land-tax-buying-an-additional-residential-property

IdaGlossop · 04/09/2025 23:09

StressedEric · 04/09/2025 22:12

also , on a wider point, why have both AR and RR deployed tears when in political difficulties. I found AR’s interview with the very sympathetic Beth Rigby to be deeply manipulative.

Can you imagine the vitriol that they both would have deployed if senior Tory women had done similar - eg Liz Truss .
did she do think of Liz Truss’s children when denouncing her , or Nadhim Zahawi’s children when his local difficulties with HMRC were the political football of the day . What would have been her reaction if either of them had cried and said “ won’t you think about my children “

hypocrite

I may be foolish but I think AR and RR were both weeping genuine tears. It's not easy to turn on the tap to order (unless you have dome of those drops that actors use).

Kitte321 · 04/09/2025 23:13

IdaGlossop · 04/09/2025 23:09

I may be foolish but I think AR and RR were both weeping genuine tears. It's not easy to turn on the tap to order (unless you have dome of those drops that actors use).

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Genuine or not, she was only crying for herself.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 04/09/2025 23:17

Kitte321 · 04/09/2025 23:13

Genuine or not, she was only crying for herself.

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They definitely weren’t crying for the disabled children they forced out of private schools, they were laughing and smirking about that.

edwinbear · 04/09/2025 23:21

Putting money into an ISA is tax planning, not tax avoidance. There’s a big difference between the two.

www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/avoidance-handling-process/ahp1300

jbm16 · 04/09/2025 23:21

GoodPudding · 04/09/2025 22:12

I’m no Labour supporter and can’t wait until they’re out of office, but I don’t think it’s fair to blame someone who has acted in good faith based on legal advice from a qualified lawyer.

However, I remained to be convinced that this is the case here…

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Her solicitors have come out tonight and said they have been scapegoated and didn't provide any tax advice. Think her days are numbered...