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Why is MIL like this?

129 replies

Chunkychips23 · 02/09/2025 09:58

Advice/rant

I’ve posted before about my MIL, who seemed to be replaced with a crueler, meaner version of herself when I had my first baby.

Things somewhat improved and I forgave her and moved forward. I didn’t hold a grudge although I knew I’d never get an acknowledgment or an apology from her. DH finally admitted that she was vile towards me and apologised on her behalf.

I’ve recently had my 2nd baby and things started off a lot better. She’d pretty much stopped with her weird behaviour and criticisms. She came over 24hrs postpartum even though I did ask just for that first day at home to recover, decompress and spend some time with both my children. I’d had a long labour which ended up in a Cat 1 due to haemorrhaging, narrowly avoiding a transfusion. I felt a bit pressured into having her over, but she said she’d come for 2hrs and go. She stayed the whole day and insisted on going for lunch, wanting to take my toddler and newborn, whilst I stayed home to recover. I said a firm no to my brand new baby going for a pub lunch, who I was exclusively breastfeeding. She took it well - previously that would have caused a meltdown about how she’s being left out and I’m blocking her from bonding.

Anyway, that was a tad annoying, but she was at least pleasant to me. She’d been over weekly to spend time with the kids, often without DH present and we’ve been getting along. It’s almost been like pre kids where she and I would happily spend time together DH. She’s not been helping with the kids which is fine, I don’t expect other people to, but she does post on social media saying how helpful she’s been and that I couldn’t do it without her, which was a bit annoying, but ok.

As time has gone by though, she’s started getting weird again. She’s become fixated on the fact I’m breastfeeding again. Little comments have started about how she thinks I should wean early and she desperately wants to give my baby solids. I caught her trying to give me 12wk old ice cream because “baby was staring and wanted it” She denied it, but there was chocolate ice cream on my babies romper. Then there’s the comments about how baby is really hungry as breastfeeding doesn’t fill them up enough and I nearly starved my 1st born because he was so small. I didn’t. He just small. Even now several months after being weaned, he’s still little. She’s still blaming breastfeeding.

MIL is now claiming she’s being left out again. I’m not sure how she is, as she’s coming over twice a week, gets to spend time with the kids with and without me (less so with baby though due to breastfeeding and I don’t trust her now) We’ve taken the kids to her house, been on day trips and meals out etc. I don’t know what she’s complaining about.

We had our wedding anniversary on Friday and my mum looked after the kids for a few hours. MIL has made it very clear she doesn’t like babysitting anyway, so we didn’t ask her. On our way back, my mum text to say my PIL’s had turned up. DH knew nothing about this. MIL said she didn’t want to feel left out on our anniversary. It’s our bloody wedding anniversary, I don’t see why she’d need to be included in that?! My baby had refused the bottles of expressed milk I’d left, so my mum had to cup feed him. No biggie, infant feeding was part of her long medical career, so she managed it fine. MIL sat there with a smug look on her face and said “well that’s why you should formula feed” I just ignored her. Despite cup feeding, he hadn’t had enough milk, so I went to feed him. She refused to hand him to me saying she was having cuddles as he’s her grandson too. I asked again politely to pass my baby back so I could feed him and she held on tighter and said no. I just said “I’m not asking” and had to snatch him back. He was screaming for me at this point.

Later on, DH posted some old pics on social media and of our wedding. His mum shared it with the caption “my son is the best husband” and then commented under his “I love our crazy life. Love you so much” It was literally a post about our marriage, not about her. I asked DH about this and he again said “yeah it’s weird, but she’s so scared about being left out” She has a tendency to invite herself to things anyway. DH arranged for dinner with friends we’d not seen in ages, she invited herself along. My birthday lunch, she tried to invite herself to. His birthday dinner with his friends (he’d already gone for dinner with her on his actual birthday) she turned up too. Even years ago now, when we arranged to go meet the celebrant for our wedding, she invited herself to that. It’s not like she’s never included unless she invites herself. She spends more time with and has way more access than most mothers of adult children do. She even tried coming to the hospital 45mins after I was out of surgery, with a cannula in and several drips. I told DH I’d get him kicked off the ward too if she came in. PIL’s in that situation whilst I’m naked and recovering is highly inappropriate, no matter how excited they are to see a new grandchild.

I could maybe understand the intensity if DH was her only child and these were her only Grandchildren, or even his only children, they’re not! She has other kids and lots of grandchildren, but for some reason it’s me that bares the brunt of it. She’s actively involved in all of their lives, so it’s not like she’s missing out on anything. DH is her favourite child and favourite son though, so I don’t know if that’s part of it?

I just want everyone to get along, but I don’t like feeling like MIL sees herself as integral to my marriage and motherhood. I’ve never blocked her from coming over, even when she was being a bitch with my 1st baby. DH gets just as annoyed, but really struggles to enforce boundaries.

It got better last time, but she’s gradually getting worse again. I don’t know what to do or say. I’m prepared to kick her out of my house if she starts getting nasty again, but it’s starting to make me feel anxious when we’re due to see her.

AIBU to feel the way I do and she’s just trying to be involved, just too pushy?

OP posts:
2dogsandabudgie · 02/09/2025 10:20

She sounds a nightmare. You and your husband need to be together on this. Don't tell her when you have made arrangements to go out, that way she can't invite herself.

TheBewleySisters · 02/09/2025 10:38

Perhaps start by not telling her your plans so she can't turn up at dinners, lunches etc. You have been very patient, much more than many DILs would be, I would find her behaviour intolerable.

ComfortFoodCafe · 02/09/2025 10:43

Id just confront her and be honest “MIL why are you behaving like this? Please stop inviting yourself, if we want to invite you we will.”

ThejoyofNC · 02/09/2025 10:45

You're letting her walk all over you. You need to stop being scared to upset her and start telling her No. If she wants to have a tantrum, let her.

Swiftie1878 · 02/09/2025 10:49

You and DH need to zip it! 🤐
You are communicating too much about your lives, allowing her to insert herself.
Keep your lives much more private. You can tell her about what you have already done rather than what you are doing/planning to do.

Chunkychips23 · 02/09/2025 10:51

TheBewleySisters · 02/09/2025 10:38

Perhaps start by not telling her your plans so she can't turn up at dinners, lunches etc. You have been very patient, much more than many DILs would be, I would find her behaviour intolerable.

I don’t. She doesn’t need a front row seat to our lives, but DH is a recovering mummy’s boy, so still tells her everything and can’t say no to her, even when he wants to. The occasions he has, he’s lied rather than just saying no. He’s in the process of growing a spine when it comes to his mother, but still has a long way to go!

OP posts:
Chunkychips23 · 02/09/2025 10:54

ThejoyofNC · 02/09/2025 10:45

You're letting her walk all over you. You need to stop being scared to upset her and start telling her No. If she wants to have a tantrum, let her.

I say no and DH just lets her crack on half the time. I said no to her coming over when I got home from hospital and it turned into a massive argument. He was getting pressured from her, so I compromised and said a couple of hours. He didn’t hold her to that, just carried on hosting her, despite being pissed off. It seems to be a thing in their family. They’ll spay each other off, but won’t confront each other

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MyKindHiker · 02/09/2025 10:54

Sounds very similar in lots of ways to my MIL. In retrospect I think it was my MIL feeling jealous I got to have the experience of having babies where for her that part of her life was over i guess. Also for her generation they were discouraged from breastfeeding and I think she felt sad I was able to when she wasn’t but then projected it as criticism. Some people are like that.

Anyways, not much you can do. Bite your tongue. Don’t let it get to you. You can’t change her, keep the peace, honestly. Rant on here if you need to. Life is too short x

Swiftie1878 · 02/09/2025 10:56

Chunkychips23 · 02/09/2025 10:51

I don’t. She doesn’t need a front row seat to our lives, but DH is a recovering mummy’s boy, so still tells her everything and can’t say no to her, even when he wants to. The occasions he has, he’s lied rather than just saying no. He’s in the process of growing a spine when it comes to his mother, but still has a long way to go!

Then it’s a DH problem you have. Focus on that rather than your MIL.
If you sort out DH’s blabber mouth and inability to enforce boundaries for the wellbeing of his nuclear family, your MIL issues will naturally stop.

MauriceTheMussel · 02/09/2025 10:59

Fuck me. How you’ve not blown your lid, I don’t know.

Part of me thinks you should be super blunt with her, tell her to leave, tell her no. If she gets upset, so what? She’s upset seemingly all the time anyway so nothing to lose.

She’s had her time with her own family. You get to have your own nuclear family life too now.

She’s so out of line and immature that her feelings are exactly that - her problem.

MauriceTheMussel · 02/09/2025 11:00

Chunkychips23 · 02/09/2025 10:54

I say no and DH just lets her crack on half the time. I said no to her coming over when I got home from hospital and it turned into a massive argument. He was getting pressured from her, so I compromised and said a couple of hours. He didn’t hold her to that, just carried on hosting her, despite being pissed off. It seems to be a thing in their family. They’ll spay each other off, but won’t confront each other

So he’s putting her feelings over yours at best, and his feelings over yours at worst.

Put your foot down. She shows up, you just say “no. Not convenient” and shut the door.

Why should you have to suck up this ridiculous behaviour?

And if DH picks a fight with you over your “behaviour”, I’d let him have it.

Lafufufu · 02/09/2025 11:07

She is like this because she is a deeply unhappy and insecure woman and possibly jealous of your life.

Keep her at as length and then some.

Your DH need to take himself off and have a word with himself. I have second hand embarrassment reading about him.

TheFormidableMrsC · 02/09/2025 11:16

I cannot imagine behaving like this with my kids. She’s fucking outrageous. I think you should call her out before it escalates and then you need iron clad boundaries. Clearly easier said than done. I would be making clear that if she doesn’t back off then she won’t be welcome at all, but this is a moot point unless your husband is on board.

Chunkychips23 · 02/09/2025 11:16

Lafufufu · 02/09/2025 11:07

She is like this because she is a deeply unhappy and insecure woman and possibly jealous of your life.

Keep her at as length and then some.

Your DH need to take himself off and have a word with himself. I have second hand embarrassment reading about him.

Edited

He can’t deal with her tears. She’s exceptional at emotionally manipulating him. He takes what he sees as the easier route, giving her what she wants. He feels like he owes her VIP passes to whatever she wants because she raised him.

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mummypigoink · 02/09/2025 11:23

She didn’t give your distressed baby back to you? Is rude when your baby is being fed? Bollocks to that. I wouldn’t let her in the house and when your DH (who is your problem here: WTF was he doing while his baby was screaming? It’s one thing to be a pathetic mummy’s boy, quite another to put his lack of spine before his infant child) lets her in, go to another room with your baby. Or go out.

Lafufufu · 02/09/2025 11:24

Chunkychips23 · 02/09/2025 11:16

He can’t deal with her tears. She’s exceptional at emotionally manipulating him. He takes what he sees as the easier route, giving her what she wants. He feels like he owes her VIP passes to whatever she wants because she raised him.

Sounds familiar... 😅
Even down to MIL needing the VIP treatment.

I dont have any good advice because the way i resolved it is very much frowned upon in mumsnet land as I took the low road...

I spent ages talking and asking and explaining and it was a waste of time.
So i got loud and took action... And it was by making my husband realise via my actions and words I would make his life MUCH fucking harder than his mother that I achieved change.

It was a hill I was verrrry comfortable dying on so if he wanted an easy life he had best start managing his fucking nightmare mother.
I also got comfortable with having run ins with her myself, if she got upset I was ostensibly MORE "upset" and would loudly declare it and flounce before she could....
and I would explain after it needn't have happened if he managed her properly.

He got upset and I said i was MORE upset and only he can fix / manage this so if he doesnt like it he needs to step up.
This went on for a time and he improved gradually. Now ge is happy saying no thst doesnt work for us etc etc.

What i had in my favour though was distance she descends a 4-6 x per year only.

I Bloody hate her!

DisforDarkChocolate · 02/09/2025 11:25

Stop spending so much time with her, she still sounds horrible.

PuppiesProzacProsecco · 02/09/2025 11:28

She sounds psychotic. Like bad-made for TV-thriller-plot psychotic.

Driftingawaynow · 02/09/2025 11:29

Mate my head hurts for you, this is so awful and a tale as old as time. Well done for standing up for yourself, you sound very adult and patient.
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my relationship never recovered and it was the beginning of the end for us, ultimately MILs grasping then drove our son away from her too and how he is NC with her. Sad, avoidable.

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WickedWitchOfTheEast87 · 02/09/2025 11:30

@Chunkychips23 you need to put down strong boundaries ASAP. The fact she is escalating her behaviour little by little is the warning she's testing you to see how far she can go. Don't let it get to a big problem nip it in the bud now. Your mil is taking full advantage of the fact you're still vulnerable and walking all over you.

You also have a big DH problem. He needs to tell her straight and put her in her place tough shit if it upsets her she doesn't care if she's upsetting you and a mother and new baby's needs and wanta trumps mil feelings.

Also OP stop being polite and caring about her feelings or her having a tantrum. She doesn't give a fuck about your feelings or she wouldn't be behaving like this. If she turns up unannounced don't let her in say its not a good time and she needs to call and arrange a visit preferably when your dh is at home to manage her. So what if she kicks off and has a tantrum. Either way she's gonna act upset and hard done by so you may as well just put your foot down and ignore any tantrum like you would a toddler, at least a toddler doesn't have the brain capacity to realise its unacceptable to behave like that an adult does and should know better.

As for the snide comments challenge her, use the mumsnet classic "did you mean to be so rude" or 'mil I will feed my baby how I choose please stop making such comments' or ask her to leave everytime she starts up she will soon get the message.

Nanny0gg · 02/09/2025 11:31

Chunkychips23 · 02/09/2025 10:54

I say no and DH just lets her crack on half the time. I said no to her coming over when I got home from hospital and it turned into a massive argument. He was getting pressured from her, so I compromised and said a couple of hours. He didn’t hold her to that, just carried on hosting her, despite being pissed off. It seems to be a thing in their family. They’ll spay each other off, but won’t confront each other

Then I'm sorry, but you'll have to be the grown-up

You don't want her when it directly impacts you? Then she doesn't come

And I'd ask your husband why his mother is more important than his wife

Coldnightsapproachingwhereismyduvet · 02/09/2025 11:35

Next visit make small talk about WHO and bf for 2 years. Stare her out when you say this. Any grief she needs to leave..
Who cares if she cries? Dh? He can move back to his dps or remember who he married...
Christ I don't know how you aren't up on an assault charge yet op.
Make sure you remember the ice cream incident going forward..memo to self she never has dc u supervised.. She isn't trustworthy..

Thfvfdvvvvtgbynynyn · 02/09/2025 11:39

Your MIL sounds exhausting.
I would limit contact and not answer the door if she ever turns up when your DH isn’t home.

Your DH is letting her undermine you and he is prioritising her wants and needs above yours. That is a massive red flag, and from experience I can tell you if you do not nip this in the bud now you are going to end up in a situation where MIL thinks she can call all of the shots and as your children grow her jealousy might motivate her to drive wedges between you and your children and you and your DH.

The suck it up because she’s family and life is too short nonsense doesn’t wash with me. I view it as life is too short to put up with people like your MIL. I put other family members wants and opinions above my own and the stress it caused me hugely impacted my mental health and my time with my children when they were small.

I think you might have a battle on your hands because your DH is a mummy’s boy, but you need to explain to him exactly how you feel. He should be put you and the children above his mother.

MauriceTheMussel · 02/09/2025 11:42

I don’t think @Lafufufu ‘s approach is the low road at all! I think it’s the only road you can take. You can’t reason with this woman nor man child DH, so kick off and fire-with-fire it is.

He wants the path of least resistance. Ok! You be more ridiculous than her and you be stone cold deadly to her face with boundaries. Fuck DH if he’s not on board. You don’t have to go along with their family’s fucked up dynamics.

MyKindHiker · 02/09/2025 11:43

I love all the strong woman boundaries stuff. Really I do. And I really respect that other posters have your back. However...

YES her behaviour is wrong.

BUT. Life is long. Families are important. Some people are fine to cut people from their lives but most are not. Causing a huge family rift by refusing to let her in the house or trying to take her to task on her behaviour is probably honestly not going to be worth it in the long run. At the end of the day you could be happy you've enforced your boundaries but at what cost... a miserable husband, awkward relationship with in laws etc etc and that's forever. I had similar issues with my MIL but as kids are older honestly it's water under the bridge and I'm really glad I just bit my tongue as kids love their grandma and having a bad atmosphere is never in anyone's best interests.

Definitely get your husband to help enforce 'drop dead' rules like if you've said it's 2 hours, then it's 2 hours. If he doesn't help then next time just say you're going for a nap and take baby with you (I used to do this). But a bunch of the stuff like her comments on social media just let it slide. You can't change her.