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Why is MIL like this?

129 replies

Chunkychips23 · 02/09/2025 09:58

Advice/rant

I’ve posted before about my MIL, who seemed to be replaced with a crueler, meaner version of herself when I had my first baby.

Things somewhat improved and I forgave her and moved forward. I didn’t hold a grudge although I knew I’d never get an acknowledgment or an apology from her. DH finally admitted that she was vile towards me and apologised on her behalf.

I’ve recently had my 2nd baby and things started off a lot better. She’d pretty much stopped with her weird behaviour and criticisms. She came over 24hrs postpartum even though I did ask just for that first day at home to recover, decompress and spend some time with both my children. I’d had a long labour which ended up in a Cat 1 due to haemorrhaging, narrowly avoiding a transfusion. I felt a bit pressured into having her over, but she said she’d come for 2hrs and go. She stayed the whole day and insisted on going for lunch, wanting to take my toddler and newborn, whilst I stayed home to recover. I said a firm no to my brand new baby going for a pub lunch, who I was exclusively breastfeeding. She took it well - previously that would have caused a meltdown about how she’s being left out and I’m blocking her from bonding.

Anyway, that was a tad annoying, but she was at least pleasant to me. She’d been over weekly to spend time with the kids, often without DH present and we’ve been getting along. It’s almost been like pre kids where she and I would happily spend time together DH. She’s not been helping with the kids which is fine, I don’t expect other people to, but she does post on social media saying how helpful she’s been and that I couldn’t do it without her, which was a bit annoying, but ok.

As time has gone by though, she’s started getting weird again. She’s become fixated on the fact I’m breastfeeding again. Little comments have started about how she thinks I should wean early and she desperately wants to give my baby solids. I caught her trying to give me 12wk old ice cream because “baby was staring and wanted it” She denied it, but there was chocolate ice cream on my babies romper. Then there’s the comments about how baby is really hungry as breastfeeding doesn’t fill them up enough and I nearly starved my 1st born because he was so small. I didn’t. He just small. Even now several months after being weaned, he’s still little. She’s still blaming breastfeeding.

MIL is now claiming she’s being left out again. I’m not sure how she is, as she’s coming over twice a week, gets to spend time with the kids with and without me (less so with baby though due to breastfeeding and I don’t trust her now) We’ve taken the kids to her house, been on day trips and meals out etc. I don’t know what she’s complaining about.

We had our wedding anniversary on Friday and my mum looked after the kids for a few hours. MIL has made it very clear she doesn’t like babysitting anyway, so we didn’t ask her. On our way back, my mum text to say my PIL’s had turned up. DH knew nothing about this. MIL said she didn’t want to feel left out on our anniversary. It’s our bloody wedding anniversary, I don’t see why she’d need to be included in that?! My baby had refused the bottles of expressed milk I’d left, so my mum had to cup feed him. No biggie, infant feeding was part of her long medical career, so she managed it fine. MIL sat there with a smug look on her face and said “well that’s why you should formula feed” I just ignored her. Despite cup feeding, he hadn’t had enough milk, so I went to feed him. She refused to hand him to me saying she was having cuddles as he’s her grandson too. I asked again politely to pass my baby back so I could feed him and she held on tighter and said no. I just said “I’m not asking” and had to snatch him back. He was screaming for me at this point.

Later on, DH posted some old pics on social media and of our wedding. His mum shared it with the caption “my son is the best husband” and then commented under his “I love our crazy life. Love you so much” It was literally a post about our marriage, not about her. I asked DH about this and he again said “yeah it’s weird, but she’s so scared about being left out” She has a tendency to invite herself to things anyway. DH arranged for dinner with friends we’d not seen in ages, she invited herself along. My birthday lunch, she tried to invite herself to. His birthday dinner with his friends (he’d already gone for dinner with her on his actual birthday) she turned up too. Even years ago now, when we arranged to go meet the celebrant for our wedding, she invited herself to that. It’s not like she’s never included unless she invites herself. She spends more time with and has way more access than most mothers of adult children do. She even tried coming to the hospital 45mins after I was out of surgery, with a cannula in and several drips. I told DH I’d get him kicked off the ward too if she came in. PIL’s in that situation whilst I’m naked and recovering is highly inappropriate, no matter how excited they are to see a new grandchild.

I could maybe understand the intensity if DH was her only child and these were her only Grandchildren, or even his only children, they’re not! She has other kids and lots of grandchildren, but for some reason it’s me that bares the brunt of it. She’s actively involved in all of their lives, so it’s not like she’s missing out on anything. DH is her favourite child and favourite son though, so I don’t know if that’s part of it?

I just want everyone to get along, but I don’t like feeling like MIL sees herself as integral to my marriage and motherhood. I’ve never blocked her from coming over, even when she was being a bitch with my 1st baby. DH gets just as annoyed, but really struggles to enforce boundaries.

It got better last time, but she’s gradually getting worse again. I don’t know what to do or say. I’m prepared to kick her out of my house if she starts getting nasty again, but it’s starting to make me feel anxious when we’re due to see her.

AIBU to feel the way I do and she’s just trying to be involved, just too pushy?

OP posts:
Millytante · 02/09/2025 14:26

Swiftie1878 · 02/09/2025 10:56

Then it’s a DH problem you have. Focus on that rather than your MIL.
If you sort out DH’s blabber mouth and inability to enforce boundaries for the wellbeing of his nuclear family, your MIL issues will naturally stop.

Spot on. His confiding in her and bolstering her imaginary pre-eminence is his life is responsible for the way she treats you. She reckons she had every right, being Top Woman as far as your husband is concerned.
Until he greatly restricts that inappropriate level of access into his personal life, MIL has carte blanche, ahead of you, in her mind.

It’s as though some sons have to almost officially renounce the maternal bond when they marry, just as some citizenships must be renounced in favour of a subsequent one, in order that the first no longer retain rights to tax or allegiance!

OrangeCars · 02/09/2025 14:27

She sounds absolutely unbearable, but as often is, your husband is the main problem. He is not prepared to protect you and protect your marriage over his Mummy's feelings. I have no idea how you've managed to tolerate so much. You're a better person than I am! I actually felt quite anxious reading your post - I too have a difficult, boundary pushing MIL, but nowhere near as bad as yours! And yet I am pretty low contact with mine now.

I would strongly suggest you read "Toxic In-laws", you get him a copy of "Toxic Parents" by Susan Forward, and I think in your shoes I would insist on therapy - either for him alone, or for you both as a couple. People are right, you can't change your MIL, but you can change how you deal with her together.

Mumstheword1983 · 02/09/2025 14:28

TheBewleySisters · 02/09/2025 10:38

Perhaps start by not telling her your plans so she can't turn up at dinners, lunches etc. You have been very patient, much more than many DILs would be, I would find her behaviour intolerable.

This. You will simply need to start with not sharing plans with her if it's a couples only or no extended family event. I've had similar with a parent and I now don't share any plans. Your OH will need to be onboard. Sounds so tough.

acorncrush · 02/09/2025 19:19

I only read the first couple of paragraphs as that was well enough to know you shouldn’t open the door to this woman.

Refuse to see her or even answer the door if you are there and your husband is not present.

If he is and wants to spend time with his mother, no problem, they can go out. I would expect to be left alone in my own house with my baby if I want to be.

She’s the quintessential example of why people go no contact.

PotatoLove · 02/09/2025 19:40

There is no way I'd have her in the house anymore OP. She clearly doesn't respect you.

You gave her a second chance after your first baby do bollocks to her. Your DH needs to man up and put you first.

Hairshare · 02/09/2025 19:46

I fear she’s jealous.

walkingismedicine · 02/09/2025 19:52

This sounds like the beginning of a horror story. I’m sorry OP, must be very stressful. I agree with others about not sharing what you’re upto so she can’t impose herself and DH setting the boundaries

EuclidianGeometryFan · 02/09/2025 20:36

Lafufufu · 02/09/2025 11:24

Sounds familiar... 😅
Even down to MIL needing the VIP treatment.

I dont have any good advice because the way i resolved it is very much frowned upon in mumsnet land as I took the low road...

I spent ages talking and asking and explaining and it was a waste of time.
So i got loud and took action... And it was by making my husband realise via my actions and words I would make his life MUCH fucking harder than his mother that I achieved change.

It was a hill I was verrrry comfortable dying on so if he wanted an easy life he had best start managing his fucking nightmare mother.
I also got comfortable with having run ins with her myself, if she got upset I was ostensibly MORE "upset" and would loudly declare it and flounce before she could....
and I would explain after it needn't have happened if he managed her properly.

He got upset and I said i was MORE upset and only he can fix / manage this so if he doesnt like it he needs to step up.
This went on for a time and he improved gradually. Now ge is happy saying no thst doesnt work for us etc etc.

What i had in my favour though was distance she descends a 4-6 x per year only.

I Bloody hate her!

Edited

This.
You have to beat her at her own game.
Be more emotional, more upset, more angry, louder, more tearful, etc. - both at her and at him.

Whilst you are wating for DH to grow a spine, make him realise it is FAR FAR more unpleasant for him if he upsets you than upsets her.

Sofflespop · 02/09/2025 20:42

It sounds like you’re married to the golden child in an enmeshed family. I’m not a therapist so I’m only guessing from my own experiences so of course I could be wrong. My in laws are also an enmeshed family, which are characterised by lack of boundaries, weird relationships where adult children not expected to be independent, the birth family is seen as more important than married family…. parents are emotionally immature, often with narcissistic personality disorder. Obviously no one can diagnose anything on internet but you may find useful advice on internet if you look to enmeshed families, golden child. There’s a really useful book on emotionally immature parents. I’ve found learning these terms & advice has helped me as the behaviour isn’t healthy, so normal, healthy reasonable responses & logic simply don’t work or apply!

Someone2025 · 02/09/2025 21:16

She has a tendency to invite herself to things anyway. DH arranged for dinner with friends we’d not seen in ages, she invited herself along. My birthday lunch, she tried to invite herself to. His birthday dinner with his friends (he’d already gone for dinner with her on his actual birthday) she turned up too. Even years ago now, when we arranged to go meet the celebrant for our wedding, she invited herself to that

How does she know about all these events, do ye share a calendar with her?

Chunkychips23 · 02/09/2025 21:58

Someone2025 · 02/09/2025 21:16

She has a tendency to invite herself to things anyway. DH arranged for dinner with friends we’d not seen in ages, she invited herself along. My birthday lunch, she tried to invite herself to. His birthday dinner with his friends (he’d already gone for dinner with her on his actual birthday) she turned up too. Even years ago now, when we arranged to go meet the celebrant for our wedding, she invited herself to that

How does she know about all these events, do ye share a calendar with her?

DH tells her as she texts him all day everyday and calls him at least five evenings a week. He’ll mention things in passing to her, like you do when chatting with your parents and if she’s bored of if her husband is busy, she tries to tag along. On weekends if FIL is out, she’ll expect to come over for the day so she’s not alone. It’s always DH she tries first as if he’s caught off guard and doesn’t have a ready made excuse, he can’t say no.

I’ve told him on numerous occasions to stop telling her things if he doesn’t want her coming to them. He just doesn’t learn and/or is too under her thumb to just be honest with her.

OP posts:
Coldnightsapproachingwhereismyduvet · 02/09/2025 22:02

Whenever dh makes plans or invites her then change yours... Let dh spend his time with his dm. Spell out he is risking his marriage by continuing to put his dm above you.

He then has a clear choice to make. Her feelings or yours...

Coldnightsapproachingwhereismyduvet · 02/09/2025 22:03

Incidentally is sex difficult with that cord in the way?
Not sure I could fancy such a sap.

whitewineandsun · 02/09/2025 22:08

He needs to grow a spine a whole lot quicker. How are you not completely fed up with him? You must have the patience of a saint.

You and his children or his mother. I'm cringing at how you describe him.

Someone2025 · 02/09/2025 22:13

Chunkychips23 · 02/09/2025 21:58

DH tells her as she texts him all day everyday and calls him at least five evenings a week. He’ll mention things in passing to her, like you do when chatting with your parents and if she’s bored of if her husband is busy, she tries to tag along. On weekends if FIL is out, she’ll expect to come over for the day so she’s not alone. It’s always DH she tries first as if he’s caught off guard and doesn’t have a ready made excuse, he can’t say no.

I’ve told him on numerous occasions to stop telling her things if he doesn’t want her coming to them. He just doesn’t learn and/or is too under her thumb to just be honest with her.

She texts him all day long as he is responding quickly and then she responds and so on and so on ……he needs to not respond so quickly and stop telling her your social plans, no son needs to tell his mother everything!
He also should also always have an excuse at the ready as he knows what she’s like.

This woman needs to cut the apron strings, it might be tough but she will have to get used to it in time.

MincePiesAndStilton · 02/09/2025 22:32

Did I write this post? Could well have done. You’re not unreasonable, she’s batshit. No advice just lots of solidarity 💐

NoBodyIdRatherBe · 02/09/2025 22:41

If MIL asks what he’s doing later and he says nothing she might come over or try to make plans. If he tells the truth she invites herself or turns up. It’s not easy. He needs to stand up to her.

2chocolateoranges · 02/09/2025 22:43

I wouldn’t put up with that at all.

i deal with my side of the family and dh deals with his family, with the softly softly approach as he is a total people pleaser whereas I’m a bull in a china shop. Dh deals with things regarding his family because he says I’ve no tact! 😂

id be telling mil that she starts acting like a mature adult or she will not be welcome in your house!

PurpleChrayn · 02/09/2025 22:57

I’ve said it before and l’ll say it again.

Becoming a grandmother sends some women fucking crazy.

Ellie56 · 02/09/2025 23:09

Coldnightsapproachingwhereismyduvet · 02/09/2025 22:03

Incidentally is sex difficult with that cord in the way?
Not sure I could fancy such a sap.

Edited

I was just wondering if she invites herself to the bedroom...

panteng · 02/09/2025 23:15

What is the deal with her other children and grandchildren? Is it maybe that they have had issues with her too, but been firmer about boundaries etc?

Is there a reason your DH is the favourite? (Eg the youngest or the others are from a previous marriage)

99bottlesofkombucha · 03/09/2025 00:35

Have you told your dh clearly he chose to let his mum ruin your maternity leave with your first baby, you don’t get this time again and she’s brought up her babies, you will be doing separate things every weekend if he wants to again choose her over his wife and children. Start this weekend, plan something without him, and say if you want to come next weekend you may not tell her. Tell her and it’s the next month of weekends that happen without you- if your willing to throw my mat leave under the bus then I’m willing to throw your family weekends under the bus.

Swiftie1878 · 03/09/2025 07:44

NoBodyIdRatherBe · 02/09/2025 22:41

If MIL asks what he’s doing later and he says nothing she might come over or try to make plans. If he tells the truth she invites herself or turns up. It’s not easy. He needs to stand up to her.

‘We are having family time’ should shut her out. DH just needs to teach her that family time doesn’t include her.

Chunkychips23 · 03/09/2025 08:58

panteng · 02/09/2025 23:15

What is the deal with her other children and grandchildren? Is it maybe that they have had issues with her too, but been firmer about boundaries etc?

Is there a reason your DH is the favourite? (Eg the youngest or the others are from a previous marriage)

He married and divorced really young, so moved back home to stay closer to his children from his first marriage. Where his mum and ex-wife live is incredibly expensive to rent and buy, so even when he moved out again and had to be further away to afford to live, he used his mums as a base to ensure he could do school runs midweek etc. She saw him and his kids every week, so was actively involved in every aspect. He was single for several years after his divorce as he wanted to focus on his children and building a career. Because of that, mum was back being number one. She liked me until my 3rd trimester of my 1st pregnancy which ended up with a life threatening complication at the same time as she had a loss in her family. She expected DH to come to hers everyday to support her, but he wouldn’t and couldn’t leave me on my own for too long. I think this is what triggered her initially, that he had ‘picked’ me over her. The day after I was admitted after bleeding out at home, she was calling him demanding that he came over to a family lunch. He said no and she threw a fit. DH put this down to her bereavement, but we all no differently!

I think it’s that combination of things that make her resent me. DH is also the person she calls when she needs emotional support. FIL has the emotional range and depth of a puddle, so she uses DH as a surrogate for that.

OP posts:
Hoppinggreen · 03/09/2025 09:08

Chunkychips23 · 02/09/2025 10:51

I don’t. She doesn’t need a front row seat to our lives, but DH is a recovering mummy’s boy, so still tells her everything and can’t say no to her, even when he wants to. The occasions he has, he’s lied rather than just saying no. He’s in the process of growing a spine when it comes to his mother, but still has a long way to go!

There is your problem OP
I have a reformed Mummys boy myself and as the only male in the family he was a Grandma and Aunties Boy as well BUT DH gets it now and while I have yet to hear him actually say a firm NO to her he does avoid her much more and not jump as soon as she says.