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Extremely hacked off by GP. Won’t prescribe Mounjaro

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Hakunatomato · 02/09/2025 09:57

I have been self funding Mounjaro for the past year, and have a debt on credit card because of it. As a result, my HBa1c has gone from 19 to 5.5. I have lost almost 5 stones, now down to 16 .stones so effectively I have put my diabetes into remission as a result. I can no longer afford it because of the price rises and have asked my GP to start prescribing it. Their response is that because my blood sugar is now nearly normal they won’t do it, despite me having a bmi of 46. When I finish the course I have I now have to watch my good work go in to reverse and watch my health decline. All for the sake of the £30 a week is would cost my GP at wholesale NHS cost. If I put the weight back on again and wait while my blood sugar levels rise and I will have to apply again. I am so pissed off.. The relatively small cost as opposed to what the bills will be when my Diabetes returns doesn’t make sense.

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Zov · 02/09/2025 21:52

Anon2468 · 02/09/2025 21:28

What am I reading. It’s simple science… calories in Vs calories out. You exclaim you’ve worked and paid into the system, as a lot of us and I’m certainly not happy paying for someone to lose weight because they “can’t do it without medication”. It doesn’t take much to move more, eat less which is what you would have been doing on this “medication”.

Exactly. The entitlement from some people is utterly breathtaking.

Zov · 02/09/2025 21:54

mswales · 02/09/2025 21:21

It's absolutely true that the obesity crisis is caused by the food industry who want us all to believe what we eat is down to individual choice and nothing more. The willpower of people globally hasn't changed over the last 50 years, our food environment has.

However it's also true that if the OP now continues a healthy low carb low UPF diet and does regular exercise she should be able to maintain her weight loss, surely? She may not be able to do it, but the answer can't be to be on the drugs forever. We wouldn't give alcoholics drugs to stop their cravings, we need to help addicts recover from their addictions.

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Exactly. It's ludicrous for ANYone to think they should be on these weight loss injections forever, and even more ludicrous and grabby and entitled, to think that taxpayers should fund it for them! (And fund it forever, purely because they have no willpower.)

MargoLivebetter · 02/09/2025 21:55

Accept all those well made points @Coffeeandcrochet. I’m really up for a reasonable discussion on what the NHS should and shouldn’t fund. What I find so disingenuous is the dismissal of the treatment of obesity and the advocacy of will power from so many posters, when it is clear that is failing so badly. Obesity is a huge issue and one that costs the NHS more every year. For all our sakes we need to do better.

Catladyof7 · 02/09/2025 21:55

Zov · 02/09/2025 21:52

Exactly. The entitlement from some people is utterly breathtaking.

So is the nastiness and bullying .
Have you met the op ?
Spoke to her GP , know her health issues ?

Maybe its the way she has come across and is panicking about being anle to afford it.
Not everyone gets thousands of pounds a week .

There is always the old saying too …if you have nothing nice to say …keep your mouth shut ‼️

MrsIcandothis · 02/09/2025 21:56

Princesspollyyy · 02/09/2025 10:14

Sorry but the nhs has to draw the line somewhere. Maybe work on your willpower? Look at less calorie dense foods and upping your activity levels???

Not helpful. Obesity is an illness like mental illness. Willpower won’t cure it.

JuniperSeptember · 02/09/2025 21:56

@Hakunatomato I’m sorry that you’re feeling let down, however you do need to take some personal responsibility for your own health/diet/activity levels and should try to continue with the lifestyle changes that have brought you this far.

The NHS only has a finite budget and they can’t afford these drugs for every overweight diabetic. As others have said, a line has to be drawn somewhere with regards to eligibility. Your GP can only prescribe to people who meet the criteria.

And I don’t know where you’re getting your pricing information but it’s wrong. Current cost for GPs prescribing mounjaro is between £90-£130 per pen, depending on the strength, and likely to rise further very soon.

Zov · 02/09/2025 21:57

BabyCatFace · 02/09/2025 21:23

You're just incorrect 🤷🏼‍♀️

I'm just not incorrect. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Catladyof7 · 02/09/2025 21:59

MrsIcandothis · 02/09/2025 21:56

Not helpful. Obesity is an illness like mental illness. Willpower won’t cure it.

Its just the same thing being repeated by people with no idea .

They think they are so superior and lovely and slim and eat the perfect foods and diet and have massive willpower.

We should all be the same with the same bodies , same metabolism, same money to eat these wonderful foods they all eat .
Plus the time to prepare them all .

I personally dont have any problems myself , i just hate bullies .

Thingyfanding · 02/09/2025 22:00

Zov · 02/09/2025 20:22

AGAIN, a poster telling the truth seems to be offending people. Why does the most obvious thing to do (to keep weight offf) annoy people so much? Have you tried doing this?

Of course I have! We all have!

Catladyof7 · 02/09/2025 22:00

Zov · 02/09/2025 21:57

I'm just not incorrect. 🤷🏼‍♀️

This one hasnt got anything to do with…just loves to argue and think thy know everything.

I am off as i have better things to do as i have a life off here

DarkYearForMySoul · 02/09/2025 22:00

I really feel for you @Hakunatomato
While I am and mounjaro too, I haven’t has as much weight loss, but please don’t blame your GP for enforcing the rules. You never know they may agree with you. But even if they prescribed it would be blocked by someone else further down the line if you don’t fit the criteria.

If you want to blame someone, blame Trump who caused this price rise. He did his ‘we’re the victims’ dance and bullied the companies to put the price up and lower it in the USA (plus he’s upset the NHS isn’t for sale).

Your GP may be great or awful (there’s good and bad in every profession) but this really wasn’t their choice.

Good luck x

Harry12345 · 02/09/2025 22:04

Anon2468 · 02/09/2025 21:28

What am I reading. It’s simple science… calories in Vs calories out. You exclaim you’ve worked and paid into the system, as a lot of us and I’m certainly not happy paying for someone to lose weight because they “can’t do it without medication”. It doesn’t take much to move more, eat less which is what you would have been doing on this “medication”.

It’s not as simple as that for many

Naunet · 02/09/2025 22:04

Downbutnotout2 · 02/09/2025 21:20

@Hakunatomato I think pps on here are being very unfair and acting morally superior, when it isnt that simple. 💐

I think every judgemental (just use willpower/just eat less) poster on here should read Ultra Processed People by Chris Van Tulleken. It is a fascinating and eye-opening read. In fact, I think everyone should read it, regardless.

The food we eat now is designed to bypass our inbuilt systems for regulating satiety, etc, so that we eat more and more, and these companies profits increase.
It is a deliberate tactic to addict us to certain foods, to keep us as returning customers, in a similar way to how someone may be addicted to drugs as these foods target the pleasure centres, etc, and these companies spend millions on research and advertising to make sure we stay addicted.
Our bodies were not designed to cope with these UPFs, and that means it isn't as easy as "just stop eating".

I used to be morbidly obese (48-50 BMI). I lost weight via WLS, which the NHS funded due to my significant comorbidities.
I had tried every diet under the sun, and in doing so I had destroyed my metabolism to such an extent that I still gained weight on 1200 cals a day.
Before I was accepted for the WLS, I had to see a dietician for 12 months, which I did. That involved recording everything I ate or drank, and following her suggestions, which I did to the letter.
My BM rate was calculated at around 2000cals a day to maintain weight (long time ago, so may be slightly out).
I was first put onto 1500/ day, which I followed religiously, but still gained, same at 1200.
I had to go under 1000 cals to lose anything and even at 800cals, weight loss was minimal and stalled quickly. At first she thought I was lying or not putting everything down, but I wasn't, which she came to realise.

She explained that she'd refer me for WLS, but that because I'd done so many fad and restrictive diets over the last 20yrs, I had ruined my metabolism, and now whenever I ate, my body stored it as fat in expectation of the next starvation phase, and that that would still be the case after the surgery.

She was hopeful, though, that I'd be so restricted in the first 2 yrs that I'd lose my XS weight then, and then I'd have to really watch my intake to prevent the weight returning.
Her exact words were that "I'd never be able to eat normally without gaining weight". By normal she meant a realistic intake that should've allowed me to maintain the weightloss.

She wasn't far wrong either. I was very ill for a long time after the surgery and altogether lost 124lbs+, within less than 2 years, which was pretty much 100% of my XS weight.

That was 15yrs ago, and I'm now a size 12, and weigh in at abt 68kgs atm, which is a current bmi of 27, so slightly over my goal. I've pretty much kept the weight off since the surgery although my weight has fluctuated with my health.
My lowest was 58kgs, but I looked gaunt. I was stable at 62kgs (bmi 24.7) for a long time, but have had health issues that has lead to some weight gain over the last 18 months (I did get up to 72kgs, but am going down again v.slowly as I recover).

Whilst I was so ill and barely ate, my tastes really changed and I no longer enjoyed food, especially things I'd been addicted to previously, like chocolate.
Luckily for me, that hasn't really changed, and I no longer crave food.

I have had periods over the years where I've eaten more chocolate or crisps, etc, and I notice that my cravings quickly return, and I eat without being aware of how much of these foods I consume.
Again, luckily for me, my stomach is pretty much non existent now, so whereas I may have been able to eat 5-6 bags of 25g crisps, before feeling bloated, now I'm bloated before I've eaten 2.

I manage to keep on top of these cravings by not keeping the items in the house as a standard thing, and by reminding myself of the consequences of gaining weight again, but it's not easy.
Sometimes, I'll have a bit of choc or some crisps, but luckily I've not eaten enough often enough to allow the cravings to take over again, and so I can keep it in check.

The dietician was right, though, although I eat a varied diet, all cooked from scratch, I still can't regularly eat normal amounts (1300+cals) without gaining, although that has increased as it used to be 1000, so maybe my body is repairing its systems in some way.

Even with the cost of the surgery, the NHS is quids in as I used to be on 25 pills a day to control all my issues, and I'm now only on 2.

Some conditions have completely disappeared, others have improved immensely. Some things are worse/same, but overall, my health and estimated lifespan have greatly improved, and I'm much less of a burden on the NHS than I was.

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Just wanted to point out, that book is about the USA, we have very different food standards and regulations here. That's not to say it isn't still a factor to a point, but it's far better here than it is in the US.
Poorly regulated food is what happens when you have a private health service, there's a lot of money to be made.

Laura36TTC · 02/09/2025 22:07

Our GP surgery doesn’t prescribe it at all. To anyone.

oldclock · 02/09/2025 22:07

Laura36TTC · 02/09/2025 22:07

Our GP surgery doesn’t prescribe it at all. To anyone.

They probably do for diabetes within the guidelines, but almost no GPs prescribe it for obesity on the NHS as there's no funding.

Coffeeandcrochet · 02/09/2025 22:09

MargoLivebetter · 02/09/2025 21:55

Accept all those well made points @Coffeeandcrochet. I’m really up for a reasonable discussion on what the NHS should and shouldn’t fund. What I find so disingenuous is the dismissal of the treatment of obesity and the advocacy of will power from so many posters, when it is clear that is failing so badly. Obesity is a huge issue and one that costs the NHS more every year. For all our sakes we need to do better.

Lovely post! It really is a tricky area - assessing drug funding is difficult enough academically speaking, but throw in the profound social and emotional components of obesity and WLI (as evidenced by the very polarised views on this thread!) and the sheer number of people affected and it becomes even harder to navigate.

Miriabelle · 02/09/2025 22:10

Fuckitydoodah · 02/09/2025 10:26

Is it not possible to try and maintain the weightloss without the jabs? Surely, they aren't meant to be used for long-term use.

The NHS is already crippled financially. I just can't see how it could fund long-term use for everyone on mounjaro and other weight loss jabs once they have got to a weight at which they have seen a reversal in health conditions and reduced prescriptions for other medications. There has to be some effort put in by the patient to continue what mounjaro started, doesn't there?

Lots of medications are going to have parameters that have to be met before they are allowed to prescribe.

It costs a hell of a lot more for the NHS to treat the long term systemic costs of all the different illnesses that are caused or worsened by obesity, including diabetes, kidney failure, liver failure, cancer, sleep apnoea, heart failure, dementia etc. etc., many of them conditions that are comorbid and require huge amounts of NHS time and money.

If the NHS mass funded WLI then the saving in the reduction in long term costs would be astonishing. Your future taxes would go further and your future health care and access to healthcare would be far far better if that happened. Money would be freed up to treat and cure many other illnesses, as well as providing better healthcare to everyone. Still think the NHS shouldn’t fund these drugs?

AnnaQuayInTheUk · 02/09/2025 22:12

Laura36TTC · 02/09/2025 22:07

Our GP surgery doesn’t prescribe it at all. To anyone.

There are people who will qualify for NHS prescriptions for MJ (like me) . I don't think GP surgeries are allowed to refuse

MsRumpole · 02/09/2025 22:13

Naunet · 02/09/2025 22:04

Just wanted to point out, that book is about the USA, we have very different food standards and regulations here. That's not to say it isn't still a factor to a point, but it's far better here than it is in the US.
Poorly regulated food is what happens when you have a private health service, there's a lot of money to be made.

It's not. He's a British doctor living and working in Britain.

Hotflushesandchilblains · 02/09/2025 22:16

Princesspollyyy · 02/09/2025 10:14

Sorry but the nhs has to draw the line somewhere. Maybe work on your willpower? Look at less calorie dense foods and upping your activity levels???

Wow, tell me you know nothing about managing obesity without spelling it out. If willpower was effective and your advice worked, there would be no obesity epidemic and no billion pound diet industry.

OP, the guidelines will widen, but probably not soon enough.

Coffeeandcrochet · 02/09/2025 22:17

Coffeeandcrochet · 02/09/2025 22:09

Lovely post! It really is a tricky area - assessing drug funding is difficult enough academically speaking, but throw in the profound social and emotional components of obesity and WLI (as evidenced by the very polarised views on this thread!) and the sheer number of people affected and it becomes even harder to navigate.

...just to add though that people at NICE and in the NHS are working very hard to navigate this as best they can. I appreciate it's frustrating on an individual level but they really are trying to balance all needs within a finite and very stretched system.

TheSnootiestFox · 02/09/2025 22:18

Zov · 02/09/2025 20:47

Getting obese, and not being able to lose weight through willpower is not a disease. It's no more of a 'disease' than starting smoking, and not being able to quit!

They are both a lack of willpower.

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In my case, 'getting' obese and not being able to lose weight through willpower are down to PCOS and stage 3 lipoedema, both diagnosed by actual Drs and both, last time I looked, incurable diseases. Are you feeling quite well because some of the statements you are coming out with are completely irrational?

ExhaustedPigeon37 · 02/09/2025 22:19

This whole point of it is that whilst you are on it you create a healthier lifestyle. Eat healthy, do exercise, get fitter. You don’t use it just to lose weight and not change any habits. If you haven’t changed any habits whilst on it you will put on everything and more than what you have lost. It’s a tool to help not a miracle cure.

A bit like the gastric band, when you have it and it causes you to eat less, but if you are having sugary drinks or high in fat meals every day you won’t reap the benefits of it and you will fail because it’s a tool not a miracle cure for bad habits.

Naunet · 02/09/2025 22:19

MsRumpole · 02/09/2025 22:13

It's not. He's a British doctor living and working in Britain.

I stand corrected, it's not all US based, but much of it is, many of the studies were conducted in the US.

Notashamed13 · 02/09/2025 22:20

I sympathise with you OP..... to everyone saying just carry on and use willpower etc. They dont understand that there is no willpower required with MJ because it simply cuts the "noise" out (when you know you know)....

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