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Extremely hacked off by GP. Won’t prescribe Mounjaro

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Hakunatomato · 02/09/2025 09:57

I have been self funding Mounjaro for the past year, and have a debt on credit card because of it. As a result, my HBa1c has gone from 19 to 5.5. I have lost almost 5 stones, now down to 16 .stones so effectively I have put my diabetes into remission as a result. I can no longer afford it because of the price rises and have asked my GP to start prescribing it. Their response is that because my blood sugar is now nearly normal they won’t do it, despite me having a bmi of 46. When I finish the course I have I now have to watch my good work go in to reverse and watch my health decline. All for the sake of the £30 a week is would cost my GP at wholesale NHS cost. If I put the weight back on again and wait while my blood sugar levels rise and I will have to apply again. I am so pissed off.. The relatively small cost as opposed to what the bills will be when my Diabetes returns doesn’t make sense.

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MargoLivebetter · 02/09/2025 21:22

E11i0ttD · 02/09/2025 21:12

The ignorance re the many many children and adults on long NHS waiting lists having to fund private treatment and meds. Why does the op get to stamp her feet and demand something on the NHS when others are struggling with far less? What makes her more worthy?

Who or what conditions have you decided are worthy? There is a discussion to be had around what the NHS funds for sure. I’ve already argued that there are huge financial benefits for the NHS to treat obesity way more effectively than it currently does. There are also loads of self inflicted conditions and issues that the NHS currently funds without people having to justify “worth”. People seem to have such double standards when it comes to the care that fat people should get.

BabyCatFace · 02/09/2025 21:23

Zov · 02/09/2025 20:47

Getting obese, and not being able to lose weight through willpower is not a disease. It's no more of a 'disease' than starting smoking, and not being able to quit!

They are both a lack of willpower.

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You're just incorrect 🤷🏼‍♀️

strawberry2017 · 02/09/2025 21:23

I’m really confused why you just automatically assume you will become unhealthy again. You have made massive improvements and you can continue to do so with your own willpower, continuing with positive changes and exercise. You can’t just rely on the jab to do it all for you: it’s supposed to encourage you to make the changes so that when you stop the jab you don’t just put it all back on again.

Tartantotty · 02/09/2025 21:24

You need to look closely at your lifestyle, Perhaps you're eating the wrong food maybe a bit greedy - and possibly you lead a sedentary lifestyle.

Try to take control of your life for once and stop blaming others like your GP

Catladyof7 · 02/09/2025 21:24

Zov · 02/09/2025 20:21

Strange that you find facts so LOL-worthy.

You don't have to be a fountain of all knowledge to know that if someone DOES take the weight loss injections, and loses 5 stone in a year, when they stop them, if they eat healthy, and are not sedentary, they will very likely keep the weight off.

Have you thought about doing this? At least give it a go. It may even work if you stick to it. You may be a bit less angry then.

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Actually i am doing fine as i already stated .
I wasnt as big as some people.
It also needs willpower to work with the medication.
I havent a problem , not sure why you think i have.
I just hate bullies who think they know everything and put others down .

It helps me with other health problems as i said earlier .
But you just jump in and give an opinion.
This thread isnt about me….i dont need any help and i have willpower too, thats why i am losing weight and getting healthier .
I eat what i am supposed to …a deficit of 500 calories every day .
Any more advice i dont need ?

E11i0ttD · 02/09/2025 21:25

Downbutnotout2 · 02/09/2025 21:20

@Hakunatomato I think pps on here are being very unfair and acting morally superior, when it isnt that simple. 💐

I think every judgemental (just use willpower/just eat less) poster on here should read Ultra Processed People by Chris Van Tulleken. It is a fascinating and eye-opening read. In fact, I think everyone should read it, regardless.

The food we eat now is designed to bypass our inbuilt systems for regulating satiety, etc, so that we eat more and more, and these companies profits increase.
It is a deliberate tactic to addict us to certain foods, to keep us as returning customers, in a similar way to how someone may be addicted to drugs as these foods target the pleasure centres, etc, and these companies spend millions on research and advertising to make sure we stay addicted.
Our bodies were not designed to cope with these UPFs, and that means it isn't as easy as "just stop eating".

I used to be morbidly obese (48-50 BMI). I lost weight via WLS, which the NHS funded due to my significant comorbidities.
I had tried every diet under the sun, and in doing so I had destroyed my metabolism to such an extent that I still gained weight on 1200 cals a day.
Before I was accepted for the WLS, I had to see a dietician for 12 months, which I did. That involved recording everything I ate or drank, and following her suggestions, which I did to the letter.
My BM rate was calculated at around 2000cals a day to maintain weight (long time ago, so may be slightly out).
I was first put onto 1500/ day, which I followed religiously, but still gained, same at 1200.
I had to go under 1000 cals to lose anything and even at 800cals, weight loss was minimal and stalled quickly. At first she thought I was lying or not putting everything down, but I wasn't, which she came to realise.

She explained that she'd refer me for WLS, but that because I'd done so many fad and restrictive diets over the last 20yrs, I had ruined my metabolism, and now whenever I ate, my body stored it as fat in expectation of the next starvation phase, and that that would still be the case after the surgery.

She was hopeful, though, that I'd be so restricted in the first 2 yrs that I'd lose my XS weight then, and then I'd have to really watch my intake to prevent the weight returning.
Her exact words were that "I'd never be able to eat normally without gaining weight". By normal she meant a realistic intake that should've allowed me to maintain the weightloss.

She wasn't far wrong either. I was very ill for a long time after the surgery and altogether lost 124lbs+, within less than 2 years, which was pretty much 100% of my XS weight.

That was 15yrs ago, and I'm now a size 12, and weigh in at abt 68kgs atm, which is a current bmi of 27, so slightly over my goal. I've pretty much kept the weight off since the surgery although my weight has fluctuated with my health.
My lowest was 58kgs, but I looked gaunt. I was stable at 62kgs (bmi 24.7) for a long time, but have had health issues that has lead to some weight gain over the last 18 months (I did get up to 72kgs, but am going down again v.slowly as I recover).

Whilst I was so ill and barely ate, my tastes really changed and I no longer enjoyed food, especially things I'd been addicted to previously, like chocolate.
Luckily for me, that hasn't really changed, and I no longer crave food.

I have had periods over the years where I've eaten more chocolate or crisps, etc, and I notice that my cravings quickly return, and I eat without being aware of how much of these foods I consume.
Again, luckily for me, my stomach is pretty much non existent now, so whereas I may have been able to eat 5-6 bags of 25g crisps, before feeling bloated, now I'm bloated before I've eaten 2.

I manage to keep on top of these cravings by not keeping the items in the house as a standard thing, and by reminding myself of the consequences of gaining weight again, but it's not easy.
Sometimes, I'll have a bit of choc or some crisps, but luckily I've not eaten enough often enough to allow the cravings to take over again, and so I can keep it in check.

The dietician was right, though, although I eat a varied diet, all cooked from scratch, I still can't regularly eat normal amounts (1300+cals) without gaining, although that has increased as it used to be 1000, so maybe my body is repairing its systems in some way.

Even with the cost of the surgery, the NHS is quids in as I used to be on 25 pills a day to control all my issues, and I'm now only on 2.

Some conditions have completely disappeared, others have improved immensely. Some things are worse/same, but overall, my health and estimated lifespan have greatly improved, and I'm much less of a burden on the NHS than I was.

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People choose to eat UPFs, it’s not hard to eat a diet high in non UPF foods.

Catladyof7 · 02/09/2025 21:26

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Candlesandmatches · 02/09/2025 21:27

If/when you come off really try to eat more protein. I have used Ozempic and now am off it and upping my protein intake to 100g a day. Use my fitness pal. It has a similar effect in terms of not feeling hungry and less food noise.

Anon2468 · 02/09/2025 21:28

What am I reading. It’s simple science… calories in Vs calories out. You exclaim you’ve worked and paid into the system, as a lot of us and I’m certainly not happy paying for someone to lose weight because they “can’t do it without medication”. It doesn’t take much to move more, eat less which is what you would have been doing on this “medication”.

MsRumpole · 02/09/2025 21:29

mswales · 02/09/2025 21:21

It's absolutely true that the obesity crisis is caused by the food industry who want us all to believe what we eat is down to individual choice and nothing more. The willpower of people globally hasn't changed over the last 50 years, our food environment has.

However it's also true that if the OP now continues a healthy low carb low UPF diet and does regular exercise she should be able to maintain her weight loss, surely? She may not be able to do it, but the answer can't be to be on the drugs forever. We wouldn't give alcoholics drugs to stop their cravings, we need to help addicts recover from their addictions.

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We would and do give alcoholics drugs to reduce alcohol cravings and maintain abstinence.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/alcohol-misuse/treatment/

Downbutnotout2 · 02/09/2025 21:29

NorthXNorthWest · 02/09/2025 21:22

I think pps on here are being very unfair and acting morally superior, when it isnt that simple.

There is not enough money. Choices have to be made. It really is that simple.

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I'm not disputing that, and I'm not saying it should be funded, my post is more about the disdain and judgement OP is receiving.

BIossomtoes · 02/09/2025 21:30

You don’t even need to move more. Low carb sees the weight fall off and you never feel hungry because you’re eating lots of protein and fat.

Catladyof7 · 02/09/2025 21:33

Anon2468 · 02/09/2025 21:28

What am I reading. It’s simple science… calories in Vs calories out. You exclaim you’ve worked and paid into the system, as a lot of us and I’m certainly not happy paying for someone to lose weight because they “can’t do it without medication”. It doesn’t take much to move more, eat less which is what you would have been doing on this “medication”.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WORKS FOR EVERY HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET .
i have to put it in capitals as its like banging your head against a brick wall to get some people to understand, but still they dont .

Looks like every single being is exactly the same , body wise, health wise and we should all do the same thing, eat the same and nobody in the world will ever be overweight or ill

Catladyof7 · 02/09/2025 21:33

Have you heard of metabolism ?

Downbutnotout2 · 02/09/2025 21:35

E11i0ttD · 02/09/2025 21:25

People choose to eat UPFs, it’s not hard to eat a diet high in non UPF foods.

Again, that's not strictly true, and high usage correlates strongly with poor socioeconomic backgrounds and poverty/trauma.
Read the book I've recommended for yourself. It's actually quite frightening the lengths these companies go to, the advertising, the doctored research, etc.
UPF is often cheap and quick to prepare. There's a lot of psychological manipulation that goes into your food choices that you're probably not even aware of.

E11i0ttD · 02/09/2025 21:35

Catladyof7 · 02/09/2025 21:33

THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WORKS FOR EVERY HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET .
i have to put it in capitals as its like banging your head against a brick wall to get some people to understand, but still they dont .

Looks like every single being is exactly the same , body wise, health wise and we should all do the same thing, eat the same and nobody in the world will ever be overweight or ill

Of course putting less in than you use works for everybody. It’s simple science.

Catladyof7 · 02/09/2025 21:35

Not everyones works the same …therefore some things ate different to different people .

Trying to make this simple for the ones that dont understand.
Then the ones that dont want to …i am not wasting my time as they just like to bully others .

Catladyof7 · 02/09/2025 21:36

E11i0ttD · 02/09/2025 21:35

Of course putting less in than you use works for everybody. It’s simple science.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Wow thats all 🤣🤣🤣🤣

E11i0ttD · 02/09/2025 21:37

Downbutnotout2 · 02/09/2025 21:35

Again, that's not strictly true, and high usage correlates strongly with poor socioeconomic backgrounds and poverty/trauma.
Read the book I've recommended for yourself. It's actually quite frightening the lengths these companies go to, the advertising, the doctored research, etc.
UPF is often cheap and quick to prepare. There's a lot of psychological manipulation that goes into your food choices that you're probably not even aware of.

Of course its easy . I do it every day. You don’t need to go nuts about it. Cutting out highly processed crap for a start but people
choose not to.

Catladyof7 · 02/09/2025 21:38

E11i0ttD · 02/09/2025 21:37

Of course its easy . I do it every day. You don’t need to go nuts about it. Cutting out highly processed crap for a start but people
choose not to.

Today we have all met on here …a perfect human being ‼️🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

MargoLivebetter · 02/09/2025 21:40

E11i0ttD · 02/09/2025 21:37

Of course its easy . I do it every day. You don’t need to go nuts about it. Cutting out highly processed crap for a start but people
choose not to.

So if it is so easy how do you explain the global obesity epidemic?

E11i0ttD · 02/09/2025 21:41

Catladyof7 · 02/09/2025 21:38

Today we have all met on here …a perfect human being ‼️🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Not perfect but I don’t buy highly processed crap and don’t keep it in the house. I meal plan and cook mostly from scratch on a budget whilst working full time. Not a perfect human being, simply the same as many many other people . The laughing emojis and insistence that it’s Impossible and makes you a perfect person if you do kind of illustrates the mind set and sense of entitlement some have over weight loss jabs .

CornishIrish · 02/09/2025 21:45

I can’t believe how horrible some people are being. I only put YABU because it’s not the GP’s fault and we just can’t afford this on the NHS now. It should be affordable. These companies would still make astonishing profits

Coffeeandcrochet · 02/09/2025 21:46

MargoLivebetter · 02/09/2025 20:54

i can’t argue with a future that doesn’t exist, that’s true. However, I have provided very compelling evidence for significant existing health benefits in less that 4 years on WLI. Imagine the savings made on the healthcare already for those people alone.

One of the reasons that NICE exists is to do this sort of analysis. Lots of very smart clinicians and health economists have already worked through the cost-benefit analysis for mounjaro. Their analysis concluded that mounjaro is likely to be cost effective over a lifetime for people with a BMI over 35 (lower for some ethnicities) and at least one weight related comorbidity.

Normally this would mean that NHS England has to make it available to the whole eligible population within 90 days. However, there are so many eligible (estimated 3.4 million) that the NHS simply doesn't have either the short term budget or the workforce capacity to meet the usual requirements without catastrophic effects on care for other conditions. Hence the staggered roll out. This is really a unique case.

To expand in this a little, something you have to consider as well as cost effectiveness is what economists call the opportunity cost. The NHS has a finite budget and workforce capacity so while it is likely that the savings associated with treating obesity with mounjaro will justify (though not exceed) the cost of treatment, you have to consider the costs that are incurred by not treating other conditions if the money/capacity is spent on obesity. This isn't a moral judgment, and it is very hard to actually quantify, but it does mean we should be cautious about sweeping statements around how WLI will 'obviously' save the NHS money etc, because actually there is a lot of uncertainty around that still.

dizzydizzydizzy · 02/09/2025 21:50

CatsAreCool222 · 02/09/2025 10:22

The NHS is not proactive and seems to prefer paying out huge amounts to fix problems which would be cheaper to prevent. You are not being unreasonable, this is a ridiculous situation

I agree. Although I think PPs are probably right about the GP following NHS guidelines.

I was chatting with my consultant psychiatrist about weight loss. I was telling her how I'd changed my diet. She told me about how she is now microdosing on MJ. Not sure why she told me all this...... it really was general chit chat after the consultation had finished. Anyway, her opinion is that the NHS is being ridiculously restrictive with weight loss drugs.

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