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Extremely hacked off by GP. Won’t prescribe Mounjaro

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Hakunatomato · 02/09/2025 09:57

I have been self funding Mounjaro for the past year, and have a debt on credit card because of it. As a result, my HBa1c has gone from 19 to 5.5. I have lost almost 5 stones, now down to 16 .stones so effectively I have put my diabetes into remission as a result. I can no longer afford it because of the price rises and have asked my GP to start prescribing it. Their response is that because my blood sugar is now nearly normal they won’t do it, despite me having a bmi of 46. When I finish the course I have I now have to watch my good work go in to reverse and watch my health decline. All for the sake of the £30 a week is would cost my GP at wholesale NHS cost. If I put the weight back on again and wait while my blood sugar levels rise and I will have to apply again. I am so pissed off.. The relatively small cost as opposed to what the bills will be when my Diabetes returns doesn’t make sense.

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NanFlanders · 02/09/2025 22:21

OriginalSkang · 02/09/2025 10:54

Are you planning on taking it forever, though?

I'm planning on taking it forever. All the studies show that the vast majority of people who come off MJ or Ozempic pile almost all the weight back on. My DH takes meds every day for his diabetes, my DM takes meds every day to prevent a second heart attack. GLP-1 drugs were designed for long-term use in diabetics so we have a wealth of data on their long-term safety.

Naunet · 02/09/2025 22:22

Hotflushesandchilblains · 02/09/2025 22:16

Wow, tell me you know nothing about managing obesity without spelling it out. If willpower was effective and your advice worked, there would be no obesity epidemic and no billion pound diet industry.

OP, the guidelines will widen, but probably not soon enough.

Will power is effective though, that's why not everyone is obese. Don't assume it comes easy to everyone who isn't overweight, it doesn't. It's harder for some, absolutely.

LovePoppy · 02/09/2025 22:23

I’m confused.
I assume your GP would not prescribe it to you previously, so I don’t understand why you would expect it to be prescribed now?

Hollybobs1 · 02/09/2025 22:26

If you become unhealthy again, the only person you can blame is yourself. Have some self control and willpower fgs. You can still lose/maintain with a healthy diet and exercise. Eat less, move more. Yes YABVU

Coffeeandcrochet · 02/09/2025 22:26

Miriabelle · 02/09/2025 22:10

It costs a hell of a lot more for the NHS to treat the long term systemic costs of all the different illnesses that are caused or worsened by obesity, including diabetes, kidney failure, liver failure, cancer, sleep apnoea, heart failure, dementia etc. etc., many of them conditions that are comorbid and require huge amounts of NHS time and money.

If the NHS mass funded WLI then the saving in the reduction in long term costs would be astonishing. Your future taxes would go further and your future health care and access to healthcare would be far far better if that happened. Money would be freed up to treat and cure many other illnesses, as well as providing better healthcare to everyone. Still think the NHS shouldn’t fund these drugs?

I'm sorry but this just isn't true. At current prices, mounjaro has been modelled as being cost effective, not cost saving. The cost is estimated around £20,000 per quality-adjusted life year gained, compared with diet and exercise, once savings due to avoided complications of obesity have been factored in, for people with a BMI over 35 and at least one weight related comorbidity. This means it's appropriate to find it as the overall benefits are considered to justify the cost, but that's not the same as it getting cost saving.

LovelyLuluu · 02/09/2025 22:26

Naunet · 02/09/2025 22:22

Will power is effective though, that's why not everyone is obese. Don't assume it comes easy to everyone who isn't overweight, it doesn't. It's harder for some, absolutely.

I agree.

Most people who are very overweight have an addiction, like booze or fags.
They need help with all aspects of it- education on what to eat, what is 'normal' in terms of portions, the emotions behind binge eating, the way they reach for food as a comfort.

It annoys me, as a slim person, when other people say to me' Oh, you don't need to worry' [as in my not having a piece of cake etc]- well, I'm only slim because I resist when I could eat the whole bloody cake.

Not saying it's easy but we all choose what goes into out mouths.

Popadomorbread · 02/09/2025 22:27

If there is an increase in your HBA1C after stopping the medication that is evidence for prescribing the mounjaro for control of diabetes. It can only be up to 5mg however then.
If you want it for weight loss then you will need a referral for tier 3 weight management to see if you qualify.
This isn’t your GP. It is the guidance set by the NHS as to when they will commission the medication being prescribed.

DarkForces · 02/09/2025 22:28

I'm constantly stunned at the fury at people taking wlis on these threads. They have the potential to change the whole health profile of our population, making nhs treatment more affordable in the long term. They could well mean you have longer with people in your life who are currently obese and have all the risks linked to this. You'd think we'd be celebrating rather than berating people for using them. They are a transformative advance for health care and weight management and providing them to people who need them for as long as they need makes sense from pretty much any angle I look at it. Prevention is better than cure, except for conditions that could be prevented by weight loss it seems!

Hotflushesandchilblains · 02/09/2025 22:31

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IDontHateRainbows · 02/09/2025 22:31

Blueberryme · 02/09/2025 10:11

Do you have 4 of the other conditions required to be eligible for an NHS prescription? It’s not just about BMI and HBa1C levels only and the NHS has to draw a line somewhere.

If you are unable to continue self-funding then have a look at the Fast800 by Michael Mosley. I know this is not the same as the drug reducing food noise etc but not sure what else to suggest. You have done extremely well so far so well done.

I got it prescribed on hba1c alone so that's not true. I was overweight but not obese.

Hotflushesandchilblains · 02/09/2025 22:33

LovelyLuluu · 02/09/2025 22:26

I agree.

Most people who are very overweight have an addiction, like booze or fags.
They need help with all aspects of it- education on what to eat, what is 'normal' in terms of portions, the emotions behind binge eating, the way they reach for food as a comfort.

It annoys me, as a slim person, when other people say to me' Oh, you don't need to worry' [as in my not having a piece of cake etc]- well, I'm only slim because I resist when I could eat the whole bloody cake.

Not saying it's easy but we all choose what goes into out mouths.

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Another clueless comment. Your issues with managing weight are nothing like what obese people face. Many people who have weight problems have no other addictions.

Galdownunder · 02/09/2025 22:34

Can you be referred to a bariatric specialist? Or go to another GP? Last option would microdosing work so you use less and might be able to afford it long term?

IDontHateRainbows · 02/09/2025 22:34

Popadomorbread · 02/09/2025 22:27

If there is an increase in your HBA1C after stopping the medication that is evidence for prescribing the mounjaro for control of diabetes. It can only be up to 5mg however then.
If you want it for weight loss then you will need a referral for tier 3 weight management to see if you qualify.
This isn’t your GP. It is the guidance set by the NHS as to when they will commission the medication being prescribed.

Absolute poppycock. I am prescribed it by my local hospital diabetes centre on 10mg and I didn't have to go to a tier 3 weight management clinic. Even after id lost the small amount of weight I needed to, around 1.5st, they continued to increase the dose when I said my hunger was returning.

MissMoneyFairy · 02/09/2025 22:35

Why do you think you will automatically become unhealthy again, how could you maintain a healthy weight yourself.

Notashamed13 · 02/09/2025 22:36

Curious to know whether all those who advocate willpower would say this to someone with AN? It's a disease both ends of the scale, MJ is an absolute miracle drug for those who genuinely have an issue with overeating.

Iiquidsnake · 02/09/2025 22:40

Stop eating all the chocolate, eat salad instead

Naunet · 02/09/2025 22:42

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There's no need to be so agressive, I'm not attacking you.

Frankly you are making huge assumptions about other people and how easy you think it is for them. I think it's a narrative you must get something out of.

MissMoneyFairy · 02/09/2025 22:45

Notashamed13 · 02/09/2025 22:36

Curious to know whether all those who advocate willpower would say this to someone with AN? It's a disease both ends of the scale, MJ is an absolute miracle drug for those who genuinely have an issue with overeating.

What's AN and what treatment is available please.

PeopleWatching17 · 02/09/2025 22:46

Hakunatomato · 02/09/2025 10:18

I have reversed my hypertension, and my cholesterol levels as a result of taking this medication. I am staggered that a medical professional is condoning me becoming unhealthy again just so I can be prescribed the medication. I’m not asking for an expensive drug. I have tried every diet under the sun including the fasting. This worked for me. I am so pissed off that despite working my whole life, 40 years paying NI , that I am refused something that will now shorten my life and cause me complications. I hate this country. There is no reward for working and doing the right thing. Take the piss, and everything is handed to you on a plate.

Exercise and calorie deficit will keep your weight down. Look on your success so far as a win, be
grateful for the Mounjuro. It should never be seen as a long term fix. Obese people (myself included) need to change their habits and maintain that change.

Popadomorbread · 02/09/2025 22:46

IDontHateRainbows · 02/09/2025 22:34

Absolute poppycock. I am prescribed it by my local hospital diabetes centre on 10mg and I didn't have to go to a tier 3 weight management clinic. Even after id lost the small amount of weight I needed to, around 1.5st, they continued to increase the dose when I said my hunger was returning.

That is really interesting. I am assuming then different geographical areas have different guidelines depending on the ICS or Healthboard (Wales). Sadly the area I live will not prescribed over 5mg for diabetes management though I am hopeful this will change as we gather more data.

RosesAndHellebores · 02/09/2025 22:47

Breakfast: 1tbs Greek Yoghurt, a few nuts and a dsp all bran, 2 tbs mixed berries.
Lunch: small salad with tuna, sardines, cottage cheese or eggs, an apple and two satsumas
Dinner: Greek salad and Seabass, two satsumas. Or chicken breast, or salmon, or bean stew or turkey bol with brown rice.

Two glasses of slimline tonic.
Every single day. Three stone lighter.

I'd live lasagne, curry, enchiladas, wine, sandwiches and crisps fkr lunch.

It can't happen.

PeopleWatching17 · 02/09/2025 22:47

YouSirAreAnIdiot · 02/09/2025 10:23

the entitlement is astounding, just don't eat shit

This.

PinkArt · 02/09/2025 22:48

DarkForces · 02/09/2025 22:28

I'm constantly stunned at the fury at people taking wlis on these threads. They have the potential to change the whole health profile of our population, making nhs treatment more affordable in the long term. They could well mean you have longer with people in your life who are currently obese and have all the risks linked to this. You'd think we'd be celebrating rather than berating people for using them. They are a transformative advance for health care and weight management and providing them to people who need them for as long as they need makes sense from pretty much any angle I look at it. Prevention is better than cure, except for conditions that could be prevented by weight loss it seems!

Beyond the general vitriol towards fat people, I think the way WLI have been introduced to the UK plays into it a little. 'Lazy fatties buying it off of the internet so they can fit their skinny jeans' is different to 'prescribed medication by an NHS GP for the recognised disease of obesity'.
Had it been an NHS prescribed medication from day one I think it would change the narrative a bit. Imagine if instead of being free on the NHS, the pill was only available through online pharmacies for £150+ a month. It's another non essential, with potentially terrible side effects, but with game changing impact, medication. Would the pill be seen as a luxury, or a cheat, too?!

Notashamed13 · 02/09/2025 22:49

MissMoneyFairy · 02/09/2025 22:45

What's AN and what treatment is available please.

Apparently willpower.

Theyreeatingthedogs · 02/09/2025 22:49

Naunet · 02/09/2025 22:04

Just wanted to point out, that book is about the USA, we have very different food standards and regulations here. That's not to say it isn't still a factor to a point, but it's far better here than it is in the US.
Poorly regulated food is what happens when you have a private health service, there's a lot of money to be made.

Nope 100% wrong. Chris Van Tulekan is British. We have crap UPF food in the UK. We did not have it 50 years ago. We have an obesity epidemic. We did not have it 50 years ago. Could they be related?

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