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To not see the appeal of Reform

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Reallyneedsaholiday · 01/09/2025 15:57

Sure, I can see the appeal of “reform” (with a lower case “r”), noone is under any illusion that the country is in a great way, at the moment, but not the appeal of the Reform political party. And I genuinely want to understand what it is that has so many people in thrall to them. All I’m hearing is “sToP tHE bOAtS”, but Reform will not do this, no matter what they are saying now. Simply returning anyone who arrives here on a boat, without following due process and considering their application, would see the country subjected to international sanctions, that we cannot afford. The only viable way to actually stop the boats, is to address why people are using them in the first place. WE have decreed that no one can apply from anywhere other than on our soil, and so have left them with little choice. France offered the opportunity to have a centre in Calais, Rwanda would have also worked, as a base where asylum seekers could apply without risking their lives on the channel. Those who are successful could be brought here safely, and anyone using unauthorised routes, could THEN be legally removed without appeal. It’s not a difficult solution, so you have to ask yourself “why” politicians turned down the opportunity. The only logical reason for this, is that they WANT the boats to continue. Again, you have to ask yourself “why”, and the reason for THAT is simply that they want the distraction, they need the scapegoat.
We’ve all seen the headlines, claiming that asylum seekers are living in the lap of luxury, with free phones etc, which is simply not true. Asylum seekers actually cost the country less than we lose through tax avoidance, every year.

But if we put immigration aside, as the distraction that it is, what appeals about Reform? I’ve asked many people and really struggle to find any Reform supporter who can even tell me what any of their policies are. Why are they so keen to sign away our human rights, leaving us to the whim of successive governments? Why are they so keen to introduce a private health care system (good luck getting any cover if your have any pre-existing medical conditions in your family)? Why are they so keen to introduce fracking? Or to scrap “net zero”? Tbh, I’m not completely sold on “net zero” myself, but overall, being more environmentally friendly strikes me as a positive move. Less pollution, less plastics, cleaner water, cheaper, safer energy etc, etc. you could scrap the title “net zero”, while keeping the important bits that would generally improve our quality of life, without throwing what we have achieved, to date, away.

I could go on, but I’d just like to ask anyone who is thinking of voting Reform, at the next opportunity, why? And how you see your own life improving IF they won a GE?

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superbakedpotato · 05/09/2025 08:39

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I mean, I'd be concerned about anyone holding a "Fascists are welcome" placard 🤔

I'm just sharing my opinion, as I'm free to do and as are you - no need to get your knickers in such a twist because someone doesn't agree with you.

flyingsquirrelsagogo · 05/09/2025 16:10

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I’ve read the manifesto. It’s utter make believe. Reform are excellent at telling people what they want to hear, but with no demonstrable way of making those things happen.

Reallyneedsaholiday · 06/09/2025 00:13

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I dont expect anyone to do as I "asked", I expect people to know what they want to vote for. The fact that they don't is genuinely terrifying.

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EasternStandard · 06/09/2025 10:11

Reallyneedsaholiday · 06/09/2025 00:13

I dont expect anyone to do as I "asked", I expect people to know what they want to vote for. The fact that they don't is genuinely terrifying.

Of course not. People can decide whether to answer these threads on mn and given how they go I don’t blame them if they skip past.

Barbadossunset · 06/09/2025 12:46

I dont expect anyone to do as I "asked", I expect people to know what they want to vote for. The fact that they don't is genuinely terrifying.

Op do you think there should be a basic test before people are allowed to vote?

Reallyneedsaholiday · 07/09/2025 00:03

Barbadossunset · 06/09/2025 12:46

I dont expect anyone to do as I "asked", I expect people to know what they want to vote for. The fact that they don't is genuinely terrifying.

Op do you think there should be a basic test before people are allowed to vote?

No, but that’s just because it’s not practical, rather than because it’s not desirable

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Reallyneedsaholiday · 07/09/2025 00:06

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its noticeable that you can’t give a single example of how you think your own life would be improved by a Reform government 🤷‍♀️😂😂

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OonaStubbs · 07/09/2025 00:26

Politicians need to start listening to people instead of thinking they know best and expecting people to doff their caps.

KhakiTiger · 07/09/2025 01:02

Things wouldn’t be any worse. There may be no evidence of that but the hypothesis is that it’s worth a try: Whereas with Tories and Labour things just keep getting worse. And everyone has seen it with their own eyes.

KhakiTiger · 07/09/2025 01:04

Reallyneedsaholiday · 06/09/2025 00:13

I dont expect anyone to do as I "asked", I expect people to know what they want to vote for. The fact that they don't is genuinely terrifying.

And what did you vote for when you voted for this bunch of idiots that are the Labour Party? Are you getting what you voted for. If the answer to that is yes, then that’s scary. If it’s no, then it should teach you a lesson.

BlackCoffeeAndSugar · 07/09/2025 04:21

Bulldogdays · 02/09/2025 06:50

When your very wealthy and live in a nice expensive area ,and see illegal immigrants on media getting hotel/phone/3 meals a day /days out / dentist/ doctor/ hmo / bills paid ect ..it doesn't bother you , because you already have more .it doesn't bother you because you don't see it because the area is very expensive so government isn't buying up hmo ,to house non English speaking males in, because your area is to expensive,walking down your street every day,nothing much changes ..you can afford to assume it's racist to object.

When you live in a run down area ,your school was shite ,you have few qualifications,you've spent years with your family in one room in temporary accommodation ,no garden for your children,your on limited benefits that keep getting sanctioned and removed,your kids have no chance of getting on the housing ladder ,you can't afford a new phone,you can't remember the last time you had a night in a hotel .you certainly can't afford the amount of food seen arriving in the migrants hotels ,your local area has changed massively with non English speaking people hanging around with spending money to gamble, you don't have because it all goes on bills ,and you basically feel forgotten by all politicians ,you see the boat people, getting housed , getting bills paid , getting their families brought over and housed by the council before you ....

Then along comes reform,and they seem to speak for you ,they care about the change in your local area ,and claim they will be the ones to stop it .
It's not difficult to see why they are so popular.
Is it worth loosing the NHS over ...well I guess those that vote them seem to think so
However
Plenty of labour politicians take donations from private health care companies, shouldn't be allowed but it is ..make of that what you will

This is exactly what I see in the very deprived areas I work in. I think if people aren't spending time in these areas they aren't understanding what the drive is.

3tumsnot1 · 07/09/2025 05:59

Whammyyammy · 01/09/2025 21:45

Tory and Labour are rubbish. Doesn't leave many alternatives?

You say that but people have forgotten that Brexit is the single worse thing that’s happened to this country in decades. It is absolutely recognised across the board as a complete fucking disaster. I don’t know how anyone can even think of voting for him. He lied lied and lied to get that in….. Seriously WTF ? I wonder if people are just plain stupid….

Simplestars · 07/09/2025 06:42

flyingsquirrelsagogo · 05/09/2025 16:10

I’ve read the manifesto. It’s utter make believe. Reform are excellent at telling people what they want to hear, but with no demonstrable way of making those things happen.

Same tactic as Brexit.
Saving 350m each week for the NHS....

Lies lies and more lies.

They know what people want to hear.

They make racism acceptable by telling people it is 'what everyone is thinking'.
This give people a platform to air their racism with confidence.

Farage is a showman. Man of the people my arse.

You know how Brexit improved their lives that's how Reform will.

Snake oil sellers.

Hoardasauruskaren · 07/09/2025 07:46

Nigel Farage doesn’t give a damn about the ordinary people of this country. Recent actions include speaking at a conference for a company called Nomad Capitalist who help the super rich move to tax havens. He is a millionaire only out to protect himself & others like him. Not a fan of politicians in general but he is one of the worst. Putin is the world leader he most admires ffs!

Nigel Farage paid £40,000 by firm that helps super rich cut tax bills

Nomad Capitalist helps people obtain second residencies and citizenships, urging its clients to ‘go where you’re treated best’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/farage-reform-tax-nomad-capitalist-b2730810.html?callback=in&code=NZDMZDJINTYTOGMWZI0ZYJYWLTLJMZCTMTYZYWM2N2RIY2EX&state=bf4c7ff8c8094fa9916d53d5739f81f7

Reallyneedsaholiday · 07/09/2025 08:12

KhakiTiger · 07/09/2025 01:04

And what did you vote for when you voted for this bunch of idiots that are the Labour Party? Are you getting what you voted for. If the answer to that is yes, then that’s scary. If it’s no, then it should teach you a lesson.

Please show me where I said that I voted for Labour? Or actually, where I said that I voted at all? 🤔
You sound like a Reform voter, filling in the blanks to support your own nonsense.

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KhakiTiger · 07/09/2025 08:56

Reallyneedsaholiday · 07/09/2025 08:12

Please show me where I said that I voted for Labour? Or actually, where I said that I voted at all? 🤔
You sound like a Reform voter, filling in the blanks to support your own nonsense.

Ironic. Where did I say I voted reform?

Reallyneedsaholiday · 07/09/2025 21:42

KhakiTiger · 07/09/2025 08:56

Ironic. Where did I say I voted reform?

😂😂😂 where did I say that you did? 😂😂😂

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GingerPower · 07/09/2025 21:45

No offence but there's been a million other Reform threads in the past few weeks. Any of them would've given you an inkling of why some people feel as they do.

Reallyneedsaholiday · 07/09/2025 23:26

GingerPower · 07/09/2025 21:45

No offence but there's been a million other Reform threads in the past few weeks. Any of them would've given you an inkling of why some people feel as they do.

No offence taken. Did anyone on any of those actually answer my question?

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KhakiTiger · 07/09/2025 23:59

Reallyneedsaholiday · 07/09/2025 21:42

😂😂😂 where did I say that you did? 😂😂😂

It’s right there in your previous comment. But hey, gaslight away. Usually what people do when they don’t have a coherent argument.

Reallyneedsaholiday · 08/09/2025 00:30

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GingerPower · 08/09/2025 00:36

Reallyneedsaholiday · 07/09/2025 23:26

No offence taken. Did anyone on any of those actually answer my question?

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Yes.

GingerPower · 08/09/2025 00:41

Smug virtue signalling lefties that moan about 'gammons' but won't dare speak a word against misogynistic middle eastern cultures was a recurring theme. The more pissy the left get the more the Reform bunch know they're winning. You're playing right into their hands.

KhakiTiger · 08/09/2025 05:57

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What does ‘exactly like a reform voter’ mean?

Reallyneedsaholiday · 08/09/2025 08:46

KhakiTiger · 08/09/2025 05:57

What does ‘exactly like a reform voter’ mean?

Someone who votes for the Reform Party.

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