To ask if you like these so called ‘Prosecco Jens?”

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I could explain but I think all you wise ladies of mumsnet know what I mean !!

So tell me a comparable well-known derogatory term for men, using a male name…

I misread the thread title as Prosecco Jeans (just woken up) and came on to see what they were. I have no idea what the OP is talking about although I quite like a Prosecco now and then.

Its not a name as such but the term "gammon" is generally only applied to men.

What difference does the name make, the joke is the joke is the joke. There are plenty of references to Barry, Dave, Wayne as made up names to make a point

I often see Tarquin bandied around when people are making a joke about posh white rich men. Because thats ok of course.

What about hooray Henry?

And in our house we usually refer to posh boys as "Ruperts"

I did too but I thought it was the shape, upside-down bottle, coming after the barrel jean 😂
Can you imagine though? Some sort of exaggerated jodphur.

I wish I knew what you’re talking about…

It doesnt have to be comparable, we micky take, thats part of being human. Its universal.

People, who just happen to be predominately women, posting silly memes about it being time to open the wine or whatever, social commentary or observation on that, a laugh about it. Nothing extraordinary.

Yes, but as you say, it’s not a name so will not be blighting the lives of any individuals. (I know a Karen who dreads having to tell anyone new her name because of the 'jokey' comments she frequently gets as response.)

I forgot about hooray Henrys. Thats a blast from the past, have they all grown up now into aforementioned Tarquins?

I hate any use of a person's name in this way.

Absolutely agree

It's not just a joke to anyone called Karen.

I have never seen references to Barry, Dave or Wayne used in this way. "Tarquin" possibly, but only as one of a number of names rightly or wrongly perceived as "posh", e.g. Rupert, Hugo.

"Henry" has been in the top 10 boys' names list for years, so it obviously doesn’t have any negative connotations to most people.

I'm sorry to hear that you encourage classist stereotyping in your house.

Yeah, big time.

Nothing extraordinary, just distasteful to make fun of people's names. It’s the sort of thing most people teach their children not to do.

Sadly "Pub O'clock" Felix had to be put to sleep after a short illness and Bolt has now retired as they have closed Huddersfield station for upgrading and it's a bit dangerous for him. Sad days... 😭

I don't actually like the term Karen and wouldn't use it...but the idea that you go through life without ever paying attention to how people behave, whether certain stereotypes ring true or without ever making any kind of social commentary sounds rather disingenuous to me.

It's a horrible expression too used by people too lazy and stupid to form a real argument but no one is named Gammon.

100% agree.

seems like this is just thread to put down a particular type of woman. Claiming it’s lighthearted doesn’t stop it being mean spirited.

I hate how particular female names are picked out and linked with something to be laughed at: it’s just classist, ageist and misogynistic. I hate it even more when it’s perpetuated by other women.

I’d just describe that sort of thing as ‘basic’, OP. We’re coming into Pumpkin Spice Latte Basic Season

Of course you can, but the use of a specific name as a derogatory term is unpleasant for anyone with that name, and I can’t think of a male equivalent for "Karen", despite the number of entitled men around.

Agree 100%.

Men sneering at women who enjoy drinking or having fun of whatever kind (usually linking to misogynistic control of women’s sexual behaviour) goes back for millennia. So it’s interesting that some people who perhaps don’t consider themselves sexist (?) would find a woman enjoying a drink and saying so, so ‘cringeworthy’ that they’d make up, or use, a special name for it.

Absolutely nobody on here has suggested that people can’t criticise or pass comment on anything a woman does. Perhaps your internalised misogyny gave you that straw man idea too.