To be starting to worry that Reform will win next GE?

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The polls have shown a consistent lead. Is there any realistic chance of Reform actually winning the next election?

I vote Labour, but it’s hard to see how they’ve managed to throw away such a lead in just a year, and it’s hard to see how their polling improves. The Tories maybe have more opportunity for improving, but we’re going to see a Reform government, aren’t we? Nigel Farage is going to be our next PM.

Exactly! He has referred to them as being illegal on numerous of his Facebook posts Yet people on here (who have no say in the law and have nothing to do with running the country) claim to decide what’s classed as ‘legal’ and ‘illegal’ and spout it as fact!

The Tories were quite a way off being 'shit'.

Can you imagine the negative campaigning of parties opposed to Reform. The important issues will be lost in the frenzy over asylum seekers etc. And play right into Reform's hands.

So by the time 4 years is up, I am hoping that any party other than R will have lots of positive things to show us what they can/have achieved, and prove that their way is the correct and fairest way for all of us. Hmmm.

That’s my point though. Most people aren’t bothered about those things because the focus is very much on immigration.

I will not be voting for Reform as other than stop the boats which other policies do they have? I read that they want to take the UK out of the ECHR, well I don't like that idea at all, why would they throw away our rights and freedoms?

@Slightyamusedandsilly , do please enjoy your arrogant sniping while you can. The smile will be wiped from your face soon enough.

The irony of your name

I bet even Farage didn’t think Leave would win.

Farage is the bookmakers favourite for next PM. They're right more than not.

Well, compared to Farage they were not that bad - though Boris and Liz were close second.

The last election in which they were in power was 2010 - there was no clear winner and Gordon Brown resigned after failing to form a government. That’s how we ended up with the shitshow that was the coalition.

@awkwardasfuck , so funny, well done! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Sadly its not funny but here we are

Ah so same as Labour heavyweights Jack Straw + David Blunkett etc who now want to "de couple from ECHR"??
Where Reform go, Labour follow

This. And this is the reason that disability benefits are universal. It’s really noticeable that on threads like these it’s always sickness and disability benefits that are proposed for the chop. Never child benefit or the vast amounts paid for children via UC.

Sorry - not with you.

Never child benefit or the vast amounts paid for children via UC.

Child benefit is means tested though as is universal credit which is capped at 2 dc. Why do you want to push children into poverty @Rosscameasdoody?

Like the disaster it is now you mean 🤦‍♀️

They have beat FPTP in multiple councils and there is no reason why that can’t happen at a General.

Well,, they'd have to find some candidates first. Given the rabble they've scraped up to inflict on various councils around the country, people are bound to be impressed although a rush of dispossessed Tories might sign up. Enjoy what you're askn for Reform voters. You won, get over it, remember? Maybe you'll experience some more of that.

If the proposed cuts centred around cutting benefits for parents this would be a very different conversation and everyone here knows it.

@Rosscameasdoody you said the above. Parents have faced cuts, what other cuts do you think they should face?

This is utter nonsense.

Reform will definitely win behcsse they will line the billionaires pockets- hence why the media keeps pushing divisive stories in the media. Really imbed that hate. It’s working.

anyone with half a brain think who do the media keep pushing negative stories about? And that is who you should vote for- because they don’t benefit the super wealthy. I will be voting Corbyn myself.

it’s like Hitler (or one of his henchmen) said “tell a lie often enough, it will become the people’s truth”.

and here we are.

Richard Tice was just on, bemoaning the Court allowing the Epping hotel to remain open.
What would he suggest, that the 138 were housed in HMOs? That would be maybe 15 + houses. So instead of one hotel and their whereabouts known, 15 other streets would have the dubious pleasure of their company and a reduction in their house value.
Build holding centres or whatever they're called, but HMOs are the worst solution.

I don’t. My point is that there would be a very different conversation if the focus of the cuts was on child benefit and other child related benefits instead of the sick and disabled. There are many people on MN who comment on disability benefits without knowing the first thing about what they are paid for and how they work in keeping disabled people independent.

There was a thread on MN a couple of days ago - may still be online. The thrust of the thread was the impact on work colleagues if more disabled people were taken on as a result of the forthcoming efforts to get them off benefit and into work. The general consensus was that reasonable adjustment wasn’t fair on colleagues, and that if disabled people couldn’t compete on their own terms they shouldn’t work. You absolutely cannot win here.