I'm passionate about fact verification because there's so much disinformation out there being inadvertently spread by people with good intentions.
I agree, I'm the same I like verifiable evidence because there absolutely is so much disinformation out there.
In the UK a lot of that disinformation is being spread by people that don't have good intentions unfortunately. Here we have a lot of misogynists seeing an opportunity to stick it to women and an attempt to remove our rights, protections, spaces, words, etc etc etc - which until the recent Supreme Court clarification was working pretty well. Did you know that rapes recorded as having been committed by "women" in the uk have had a meteoric rise? This is because crimes committed by men with trans identities are being systematically recorded as perpetrated by women. This has sparked a #NotOurCrimes movement to highlight this obfuscation of reality and the skewing of crime statistics.
I have a bad bout of insomnia so that's my excuse for the posting at odd hours 😂
It's jarring to be surrounded by the coverage and hear how much of it is vitriolic trans bashing
This might be a difference in USA reporting compared to UK reporting? In the UK the media and political parties across the board have been really captured by gender ideology to the detriment of women and children - and quite frankly in terms of health care and the eventual pushback once rational reality begun to reassert itself, it hurt trans identified people too.
You'd be hard pushed to actually find any vitriolic trans bashing here on TERF Island, as much as you might hear differently. We're not rabid transphobes, we just recognise that sex is immutable, women's rights are important and hard fought for, and that trans identifying men are, and always will be male.
We also recognise the harmful misogyny and homophobia inherent in the gender ideology movement.
My colleagues said that this is normal and any time something bad happens, the government and media's first response is to target a community to scapegoat.
The scapegoats of choice in the UK have been women and feminists who said no to men trying to take all of their hard fought for stuff for themselves. The women and feminists who pointed out (and were subsequently proven right) that there was a lot of dangers to throwing open women's previously single sex spaces to any man who said the magic words "I am trans", and who pointed out the harms that would be done to children (and were subsequently proven right on this too) in the name of "progress", but was in fact a prop to lend legitimacy to the older male fetishists and misogynists who wanted access to vulnerable women and children.
Have you ever read FWR before? It really isn't the horrible place the TRAs would have you believe, and if you like verifiable facts and evidence you might quite like it over there.
Trans people can be school shooters. So can anyone with a grudge, a mental health crisis or a desire to commit violence.
Yes anyone with a grudge or mental health crisis or violent urges can commit these atrocities. But do you understand the point people are making about numbers of trans id'd shooters and the trans population?
But if a cisgender man commits a mass shooting, no one is screaming about how all cisgender men are ticking time bombs.
Well tbh I disagree with you here a little. No we aren't screaming that all men are ticking time bombs, but neither are we screaming that all trans identified males are ticking time bombs either.
We do, however, collectively know that the male sex class is the one which commits the majority of violent or sexual crimes and society was set up with protections because of this fact... at least until gender ideology removed those protections by stealth and manipulation.
Trans identified males are still men, and in the UK research has been done and proves that where trans identified males commit crimes, they continue to follow the male offending patterns we already recognise. I'll link the prison service data from Jan 2023 (because that's the one I've got handy right now) which shows the rates of sexual offending. If you look at the numbers, it would be a valid statement to say that trans identifying men may in fact be far more likely to be in prison for sexual offenses than other men, which is a bit worrying given that feminists have been shouting for over a decade that allowing self ID was a predators paradise. This has been one of the things feminists picked up on too, a lot of these sexually violent male criminals only "discover" their true trans identities after committing their crimes. And a lot of these often sexually violent men have been placed in women's prisons because our government tried to be so open minded their brains fell out, and they ignored any woman or women's group that tried to warn them of the dangers of doing this.
FWIW Cis is considered a slur for lots of people here, I am pointing this out just in case you didn't know that. Most people don't have a gender identity, but they know what sex they are.
When the shooter is trans, there's no shortage of people villifying the entire trans community. I suppose that's why I'm so vocal about trying to redirect the conversation to finding solutions.
Is it vilifying the entire trans community though? Or is it a recognition of the complete overreach of the gender ideology? A recognition of the dangers of allowing men to self identify as women, to falsify records, skew statistics and generally not be allowed to say anything that's even vaguely construed as negative towards any trans identified male because some men don't like being told no?
You don't hear much about trans identifying females, until they are used as a prop for the males with trans identities. Such an example here recently is TRAs suddenly being oh so very concerned that by no longer allowing men to illegally use changing rooms and toilets set aside for the female sex is going to be harmful to trans identifying women (and butch or non feminine women) which is ridiculous on a couple of levels.
Trans identifying females actually acknowledge the discomfort their appearance may cause other women and seek out mixed sex facilities so they won't traumatise a woman who might see them as male, or cause a conservatively religious woman to self exclude in future because of the trans identifying females male presentation.
Also women are really, really good at picking up on the cues to sex, even from a distance. The idea has been floated that this may be an evolutionary safety mechanism that we have acquired over time, because the male sex has always presented various dangers to the female sex.
No matter what a woman looks like, trans identified or not, the way they move, their physical size, the way they display their female socialisation, their facial features, and their voices all immediately mark them out as female to other women.
The same for trans identified men, the way they move, their physical size, the way they display their male socialisation, their facial features, and their voices all immediately mark them out as male to women.
Men seem to have a lot more trouble with this (which lends credence to the theory that this is a specifically female evolutionary trait because it effects them so disproportionately - Eg. men cannot become pregnant by their rapist), for a lot of men, it just seems they see boobs, a skirt and long hair and in their minds that = woman. Which I think says a quite lot about a lot of men!
I suppose that's why I'm so vocal about trying to redirect the conversation to finding solutions.
The thing is that feminists and women in general tried that over a decade ago, we would have been 100% behind the trans movement in campaigning for 3rd spaces, better and more informed health care, trans identifying people being included in a sports category of their own etc etc. We were absolutely vilified for that, it was made incredibly clear to women here that that would not be acceptable! The gender borg have demanded nothing less that total capitulation to their every demand, and the abuse that has been directed (mostly at women) for saying "well actually that's not really fair on everyone else, perhaps there is a better way" or just a simple "no you can't have our stuff, there's a bloody good reason it's only for women and not for you!" has been utterly off the scale!
Seriously go read TERF is a slur | Documenting the abuse, harassment and misogyny of transgender identity politics or some FWR threads and you might find a lot of eye opening stuff that women have had to deal with here.
It's not like we haven't attempted to extend the hand of human compassion and friendship, it's more a case of that hand has been savagely mauled by very angry men because we wouldn't just hand over the whole kit and caboodle without thought when it was demanded of us.
I too really appreciate the civility!
I hope we can continue the discussion later when we've both had a decent night's sleep.