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Blankscreen · 2025-08-29T08:33:48+00:00

Well well well. So now it emerges that Rayner rearranged her property affairs and declared to HMRC that her new flat in Brighton is her main residence and saved £40k on the SDLT bill as a result. She has then apparently declared to the local councils the complete opposite. I'm sure slimeball Kier will defend and say it was perfectly legal blah blah blah. Not to mention she has a grace and favour house funded by tax payers in London as her constituency office is so far away. Yet she 'lives' in Brighton - surely she could just commute that distance like may others do every day. Surely she has to go.

Allisnotlost1 · 04/09/2025 14:59

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 04/09/2025 08:49

It’s not about Labour politicians being any worse than what came before. It’s that they paraded themselves as virtuous and capable while condemning the Tories as inherently corrupt and incompetent. Oops!

It’s Labour’s hypocrisy that’s so breathtaking.

It would be so refreshing to hear a Labour supporter say “well, I believe in a bigger state, greater redistribution, tighter controls on employment and other collectivist principles, but I accept that Labour politicians are every bit as unpleasant and flawed as Tories”. But they never will. Because modern left-wing politics only survives by its members and vocal supporters being deluded about their moral superiority.

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There’s quite a lot of assumptions there about how Labour voters think or feel. Like any other large group, there will be a wide range of thoughts and feelings.

For myself (an occasional Labour voter) they are making some idiotic mistakes but are nowhere close to the corruption and venality of the last government. But then, that government was as repugnant to many Tory voters - and sometimes MPs! - as anyone else. I’ve already said I think Rayner should go, as I thought many of the last few governments should have when they made mistakes (or get caught, whichever you prefer). But most of them didn’t.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 04/09/2025 15:59

Allisnotlost1 · 04/09/2025 14:59

There’s quite a lot of assumptions there about how Labour voters think or feel. Like any other large group, there will be a wide range of thoughts and feelings.

For myself (an occasional Labour voter) they are making some idiotic mistakes but are nowhere close to the corruption and venality of the last government. But then, that government was as repugnant to many Tory voters - and sometimes MPs! - as anyone else. I’ve already said I think Rayner should go, as I thought many of the last few governments should have when they made mistakes (or get caught, whichever you prefer). But most of them didn’t.

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This misses the point.

If a party is going to play the village saint it should live up to it.

Labour MPs’ ‘missteps’ might be lower rent than the Tories, but that’s because Labour MPs are mostly clapped-out union reps. If they rubbed shoulders with people in business or who otherwise have access to money they’d be as persuadable to do the wrong thing for big bucks as any Tory.

Labour’s venality is limited by opportunity. But the wrongdoing is just as grubby.

UltraHorse · 04/09/2025 16:34

People say she's a success how she has done nothing yet for the working class and there were questions about whether she lived in the council house she made so much money on She's made it harder since November 25 for Tennant's to buy their council homes but she's some sort on beacon for working class I'm working class and don't see it There are Tennant's now whose dream of home ownership has been taken sneakily away from them that was a decision she made

Tryingtokeepgoing · 04/09/2025 16:36

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 04/09/2025 15:59

This misses the point.

If a party is going to play the village saint it should live up to it.

Labour MPs’ ‘missteps’ might be lower rent than the Tories, but that’s because Labour MPs are mostly clapped-out union reps. If they rubbed shoulders with people in business or who otherwise have access to money they’d be as persuadable to do the wrong thing for big bucks as any Tory.

Labour’s venality is limited by opportunity. But the wrongdoing is just as grubby.

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There’s a lot of truth in that assessment.

PandoraSocks · 04/09/2025 17:05

UltraHorse · 04/09/2025 16:34

People say she's a success how she has done nothing yet for the working class and there were questions about whether she lived in the council house she made so much money on She's made it harder since November 25 for Tennant's to buy their council homes but she's some sort on beacon for working class I'm working class and don't see it There are Tennant's now whose dream of home ownership has been taken sneakily away from them that was a decision she made

There are Tennant's now whose dream of home ownership has been taken sneakily away from them that was a decision she made

She would not gave made that decision alone. Also, Labour's manifesto set out it would review this right to buy discounts, so nothing sneaky about it!

If anything, the changes don't go far enough, unlike the situation in Wales and Scotland where the right to buy has been abolished. Rayner had nothing to do with that.

Alexandra2001 · 04/09/2025 17:17

SeagullSam2027 · 04/09/2025 14:09

If only there was a name for toxic individuals who revel in calling others 'scum'......

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Was wrong too, she apologised, Revel? do you have other examples of her calling people scum?

PP inc you have said they delight in seeing others suffer, slightly different to a one off remark isn't it

Allisnotlost1 · 04/09/2025 17:34

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 04/09/2025 15:59

This misses the point.

If a party is going to play the village saint it should live up to it.

Labour MPs’ ‘missteps’ might be lower rent than the Tories, but that’s because Labour MPs are mostly clapped-out union reps. If they rubbed shoulders with people in business or who otherwise have access to money they’d be as persuadable to do the wrong thing for big bucks as any Tory.

Labour’s venality is limited by opportunity. But the wrongdoing is just as grubby.

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I think you miss my point. Corruption is wider than the amount of money.

yellowspanner · 04/09/2025 18:28

I'm delighted she's been found out again. The firm of conveyances from Kent (why Kent?) have now issued a statement saying they gave no advice but calculated the stamp duty according to what the lying DOM told them.
To save herself she was happy to throw a small provincial all women firm under a bus.

SeagullSam2027 · 04/09/2025 18:29

Alexandra2001 · 04/09/2025 17:17

Was wrong too, she apologised, Revel? do you have other examples of her calling people scum?

PP inc you have said they delight in seeing others suffer, slightly different to a one off remark isn't it

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The kind of person who EVER refers to another person is scum is abhorrent, particularly when they have been elected as an MP.

‘We cannot get any worse than a bunch of scum, homophobic, racist, misogynistic, absolute pile of banana republic, Etonian piece of scum’

Quite the tirade from Ms Rayner.

EasternStandard · 04/09/2025 18:32

yellowspanner · 04/09/2025 18:28

I'm delighted she's been found out again. The firm of conveyances from Kent (why Kent?) have now issued a statement saying they gave no advice but calculated the stamp duty according to what the lying DOM told them.
To save herself she was happy to throw a small provincial all women firm under a bus.

Of course no limits to saving her own skin.

Janiie · 04/09/2025 19:10

yellowspanner · 04/09/2025 18:28

I'm delighted she's been found out again. The firm of conveyances from Kent (why Kent?) have now issued a statement saying they gave no advice but calculated the stamp duty according to what the lying DOM told them.
To save herself she was happy to throw a small provincial all women firm under a bus.

Oh dear.

So no specialist expert advice sought what with her situation being so 'very complex'? She just told the local conveyance people that she didn't own another property as she didn't think she was responsible legally or financially for a dc living in onother property that was in trust? And she is deputy PM?!

edwinbear · 04/09/2025 19:15

End of the road for her with this latest revelation. Absolutely ridiculous that she has Shoosmiths as a co trustee but didn’t think to seek their advice. Didn’t want to pay their fees presumably - costly mistake.

Plantatreetoday · 04/09/2025 19:22

Alexandra2001 · 04/09/2025 17:17

Was wrong too, she apologised, Revel? do you have other examples of her calling people scum?

PP inc you have said they delight in seeing others suffer, slightly different to a one off remark isn't it

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Not so much the one off remark. She tried to justify it and refused to apologise

Plantatreetoday · 04/09/2025 19:33

Kipperandarthur · 04/09/2025 12:27

Rayner has to go and will be going, I believe she absolutely should have stepped down by now but for some bizarre reason Labour are dragging this out hoping to hoodwink the public. We are not stupid and ultimately this is damaging for them.

I agree. But KS is now in a very tricky position that two leading female cabinet members are extremely unpopular and the knives are out for them.

Rachel Reeves has yet to deliver her budget which is going to be highly interesting unless she backtracks and increases employee tax etc.
The mishandling of the economy has been just awful and the government is suffering seriously. (Not to mention businesses and the economy.) This latest debacle with AR is the last thing the government needs at this juncture.

I wouldnt be remotely surprised if Reeves had intentions of raising the stamp duty %s and Raynor has quickly jumped in to avoid it
Perhaps that’s why the budget announcement will be later in November
She needs more time to work out what else she can do now

Its all very murky

Plantatreetoday · 04/09/2025 19:39

yellowspanner · 04/09/2025 18:28

I'm delighted she's been found out again. The firm of conveyances from Kent (why Kent?) have now issued a statement saying they gave no advice but calculated the stamp duty according to what the lying DOM told them.
To save herself she was happy to throw a small provincial all women firm under a bus.

So
As we suspected
She lied again and tried to deflect blame onto others.

ThisOldThang · 04/09/2025 19:46

It just gets worse and worse.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/why-angela-rayner-house-more-expensive-neighbours/

Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home.

In January, the Deputy Prime Minister sold a 25pc share of her house in Ashton-under-Lyne to a trust established for her son, in exchange for £162,500.This was based on a valuation of the four-bedroom detached property at £650,000 in 2023, according to Land Registry records.

However, three separate sources suggested the property is worth substantially less than this, and it is much more than any other sale in the same postcode area.

The data suggests that if the house is sold again in future, Ms Rayner’s son risks getting less back than the trust in his name paid his mother.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 04/09/2025 19:58

ThisOldThang · 04/09/2025 19:46

It just gets worse and worse.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/why-angela-rayner-house-more-expensive-neighbours/

Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home.

In January, the Deputy Prime Minister sold a 25pc share of her house in Ashton-under-Lyne to a trust established for her son, in exchange for £162,500.This was based on a valuation of the four-bedroom detached property at £650,000 in 2023, according to Land Registry records.

However, three separate sources suggested the property is worth substantially less than this, and it is much more than any other sale in the same postcode area.

The data suggests that if the house is sold again in future, Ms Rayner’s son risks getting less back than the trust in his name paid his mother.

Wow.

I have no idea whether this is true or not, and it may well just be newspaper mischief, but it’s the most serious allegation so far, by a very long way.

Plantatreetoday · 04/09/2025 20:00

ThisOldThang · 04/09/2025 19:46

It just gets worse and worse.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/why-angela-rayner-house-more-expensive-neighbours/

Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home.

In January, the Deputy Prime Minister sold a 25pc share of her house in Ashton-under-Lyne to a trust established for her son, in exchange for £162,500.This was based on a valuation of the four-bedroom detached property at £650,000 in 2023, according to Land Registry records.

However, three separate sources suggested the property is worth substantially less than this, and it is much more than any other sale in the same postcode area.

The data suggests that if the house is sold again in future, Ms Rayner’s son risks getting less back than the trust in his name paid his mother.

Wow so she’s defrauded her sons estate
Is this the same son that she is so desperate to protect and lifted the injunction so she could out his personal and financial set up
What a bitch
I am completely convinced now she has to go.

Winterwonders24 · 04/09/2025 20:08

ThisOldThang · 04/09/2025 19:46

It just gets worse and worse.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/why-angela-rayner-house-more-expensive-neighbours/

Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home.

In January, the Deputy Prime Minister sold a 25pc share of her house in Ashton-under-Lyne to a trust established for her son, in exchange for £162,500.This was based on a valuation of the four-bedroom detached property at £650,000 in 2023, according to Land Registry records.

However, three separate sources suggested the property is worth substantially less than this, and it is much more than any other sale in the same postcode area.

The data suggests that if the house is sold again in future, Ms Rayner’s son risks getting less back than the trust in his name paid his mother.

If this is true, she's toast,and i couldn't see a come back

scorpiogirly · 04/09/2025 20:08

She's nothing but a grifter.

edwinbear · 04/09/2025 20:16

That’s actually fraud isn’t it? A criminal offence.

TheNuthatch · 04/09/2025 20:17

I know the area well. Unless the Rayners have built a swimming pool and spa in the garden, there is no way the house would sell for £650K. My guess would be around £350-400K.

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Blankscreen · 04/09/2025 20:26

She HAS to go.

Conveyancers generally don't advise on SDLT and you are usually told to take specialist tax advice.
The submission is down to the person paying the tax and without liability on the agent who submits it on their behalf.

The thing that is gawling to me is there is no forgiveness or understanding in the system when it comes to the public, yet we are meant to be charitable and give her the benefit of the doubt because she has a disabled son. It doesn't feel like there is much compassion for pip claimants and their carers

She clearly has taken tax/professional advice as to how best ensure her son is provided for but as DPM she didn't realise she should tax advice on this set up.

It's sheer ineptitude on her part an that in itself means she isn't for the job of dpm.

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ThisOldThang · 04/09/2025 21:21

If she has actively defrauded her disabled son's trust out of his NHS compensation, then this is probably the most amoral act by a politician in my lifetime.

Jonathan Aitken got his daughter to purger herself, which was fucking low, but this appears to be much worse.

thedramaQueen · 04/09/2025 21:30

ThisOldThang · 04/09/2025 21:21

If she has actively defrauded her disabled son's trust out of his NHS compensation, then this is probably the most amoral act by a politician in my lifetime.

Jonathan Aitken got his daughter to purger herself, which was fucking low, but this appears to be much worse.

If this is true.

However, I beg to differ on the most immoral act… I think defrauding the public with PPE scandal is bigger along with the fiasco with care homes during COVID. People died alone. While people in government partied and ignored the rules. I will never forget!