In 4 years, 2029, UK deaths will exceed births!

[TheMintCritic]

Just came across this and thought it was wild… according to the ONS, by 2029 the number of deaths in the UK is expected to outnumber the number of births for the first time in decades.

• Our fertility rate is only about 1.5 kids per woman, well below replacement.
• Meanwhile, the population is ageing — all those baby boomers are moving into their 70s and 80s.
• The result? The natural population growth turns negative, meaning any population increase will rely entirely on immigration.

It’s crazy to think that in just 4 years, births won’t even keep up with deaths. Makes you wonder what that’ll mean for schools, NHS, pensions, and housing.

I agree. Everyone saying it's about affordability when really it's about education and the younger generations simply choosing a different lifestyle to 9-5, mortgage and 2.4 kids. It's just not that appealing anymore as women know the sacrifices they will have to make. The internet has opened up a world of information to women that wasn't available 20 years ago.
Even my generation, gen X, had fewer children than their parents. Most people I know only had one child, some none. I saw my my mum working, washing, cooking , ironing and knew at the age of 13 that life wasn't for me.

I don't own a house, and I don't live in the UK.

Or affordable new build terraces. But as you say. most people don’t want to live in high density housing so the only solution is more sprawling estates.

That's because affordable newbuild terraces are horrible. Same for flats. Tiny, no soundproofing, nowhere to keep your hoover or park your car but with a million toilets to clean and postage stamp garden that grass cant survive in.
Plan then and build them better, in more strategic locations and people will live in high density housing.

I know the Romans say they did a lot for us and were a self declared (how male) superior power, blah - but it would have been very interesting to at least have had more surviving records of how we managed with the Iceni tribe and warrior women in charge. The fact Boudicca's daughter's remain nameless and their statue has them in attire you'd find in a strip club says a lot about how worried the Romans and subsequent generations saw them. I don't know enough about the era and am really hopeful archaeology unearths some maternal lineage system that might become a better map so we can go back to and attempt to re-start.

Then presumably you’ve made plans based on the old age provision for the country that you’ve lived in.

I read some interesting stats recently (can't remember where!) stating that this isn't necessarily the case in the UK. It's actually pretty common for women to have fewer children than they say they would ideally like - none when they would like some, one when they would like two etc. The big obstacle is cost of housing etc etc.

I do know a bit about old age care in Hong Kong, actually. Those who can't work any more very often get exported (migrate) to distant relatives in mainland China, where there is more resource to look after them, housing is cheaper, food is cheaper etc. They end up living with distant cousins, siblings and other relatives in their final years.

It's probably different for different women, as we are all different. I don't like how we are always lumped together as some giant group when we all have different backgrounds, education, needs etc.

I strongly suspect many women don't like what the majority of men are becoming via social media. I also suspect many women who were told to be a good wife and just keep their man happy, have found online that ALL MEN CHEAT and whatever they do it won't stop them if they have a man who wants to cheat. We are seeing the global shittiness of a lot of men and the old divisiveness we used to pedal about it being the fault of the woman isn't ringing true any more.

On top of that if you haven't had £ via the family - many countries do still pass down to sons in one way or another, whether handing the business to them for eg or having higher expectations. Worldwide teaching is not equal. Women learn different topics and topics are done better with or without boys in the class, STEM for eg. Even locally the girls grammer doesn't do comp sci but does computing. The boys grammar only does comp sci. How are they hoping to produce female coders of the future to combat all the male algorithms?

It feels like the spiral down is speeding up with AI and no one knows what the end goal is. It feels like women worry they are popping out kids to be fed to a machine of uncertainty.

Reform will bring in draconian laws to prevent women having access to birth control or abortions, whilst letting the men have no consequences for their part in baby making.

Problem solved?

(this is where we could end up I would get my fucking tubes tied if I was a young woman if they take away these choices and go celibate)

There are a huge number of men who don’t deserve sex and children right now, but right-right governments will try to ensure they still get it.

Fucking frightening

I keep saying in ten years time there will be a lot of single childless people in their 40s due to the challenges of modern dating with the closure of pubs/clubs, working from home, the reputation decline of dating apps, etc.

There's an FT price from earlier in the year with Professor Alice Evans and John Burn Murdoch .

www.ft.com/content/cef1c8b4-b278-425a-88b4-99d37bd4439b

The simple reason is people not coupling up. It also gets exacerbated by algorithms. Women get access to smartphones and they watch Emily in Paris and bridgerton sent their way. Lovely.

Men sign up to social media and get Andrew Tate and car videos

Look at China, decades of the one-child policy created a huge male surplus, and Uyghur women are being forced into marriages and even subjected to rape in internment camps while much of the world looks the other way. Trying to boost birth rates by controlling women doesn’t solve anything, it just creates human rights disasters. Women’s choices aren’t optional—they’re essential.

Yes woman’s rights are essential to women, not so much to men.
which is why it’s frightening that right-right parties are on the rise all over sometimes supported by women because everyone is being told that unisex toilets are the reason for the decline of society

Not enough babies is much more complex than expensive housing. The social poison young adults have to wade through now is unimaginable. Males injecting steroids to be more man, females injecting god knows what to be more women.

The end of times!

And as everyone is injecting all sorts of shit does this have any effect on sperm/eggs/growing embryos? Does anyone ask this or even care?

Decent human traits of patience, kindness, forgiveness - essential you could say to bring up children - are seen as weak, or woke, or whatever.

How does this bring about a vibrant new generation?

I am not surprised at the falling birth rate. Childcare costs, women not accepting just anyone as a husband (or wife) [there are exceptions such as the women with low self-esteem who have had relationships with Russell Brand for example], trying to conceive much at an older age than say in the 50s and 60s.

I'm not sure about the impact of drug taking on fertility though, would be interested to know of any scientific studies.

Steroids affect sperm count and quality
Difficult to see how this could not affect any babies born, then what? The big manly male walks away because he doesn’t get a big manly baby?

Oh and of course it’s not his big manly steroid knob that’s faulty it’s something the woman does/or didn’t do/or lied about.

Do we want father’s like this?

Oh yeah sperm count is plummeting too.

Ages ago Woman's Hour had some sort of poll on what the greatest development for women was (this was Jenni Murray era).

There was either votes for women or there was The Pill as the final 2. The Pill 💊 won. The professor on speaking for votes for women was Absolutely FURIOUS at the implications of this, is what I remember of it.

I always think of the book Call The Midwife and Jenny describing how after the pill became available the birth rate of the district plummeted to the point of the midwife service she worked for no longer being needed. Can you really blame women for wanting to limit how much time and energy is spent on childrearing?

Knowing what we do about how steroids make men act, he surely IS the big manly baby? I think that is another thing; men don't want to be second best in a family to the baby these days (maybe because of the steroids causing irrational jealousy?)

Yes many are just I don’t know so easily influenced to make everything someone (some female’s) fault.

Now they can find many online saying the same, self fulfilling prophecy, and there is this big confusion “why don’t women want to breed with these men at the moment we can’t understand it what can possibly be done”. “How about severely restricting abortion and birth control?” Oh my god yes that might help.

No thought, perhaps women want different mates than dumb grunts angry on steroids, with small willies and anger issues. No no couldn’t possibly be the male’s fault.

All your uteruses are belong to us!

The grunts think the additional testosterone makes them more man! Face palm ……. It’s just too hard.

Exactly - there's an undertone of aggression and zero self reflection, because it's more important to them to show off to other men than actually be happy. Many don't know how to or even think nice emotions are somehow weak. We've regressed into men worshipping Romans FGS. Will be Vestal Virgin territory next, just so we can be blamed some more when they carry on killing the planet and any humanity left.