Everyone should move away from the cities

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Hey everyone. Posting here for more discussion. I want to start a conversation that needs to be had. I've read a number of posts regarding families escaping the big cities for elsewhere and it's been an interesting read. I've used it for my own research too because honestly whilst living in a city has its perks, there is a big trade off regarding one's health, stress levels and community, amongst other things.

I read where village/rural communities across the UK are hostile to Londoners moving in - but it's going to be more of a thing and should be encouraged!

Essentially, I myself, and many other of my friends I've talked to, believe that living in a more village/rural setting is ideal, but we fear the unknown. We fear the reception from others and if we'll fit in here in the UK, which is fair enough but hear me out! I believe more people need to live in rural settings, go back to our roots, the way our ancestors lived.

Grow your own food! I'm telling you they'll be a time soon when such a skill will be vital. Sustain yourself and do not rely on the government to feed you. Please!

Learn to work with your hands! Whether that's sewing (like our mothers and grandmothers did), cooking from scratch, embroidery, hair making, etc etc there is something wonderful about seeing the fruits of your labour. 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12 "And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you; 12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing."

Beneficial for you and your children If you have young children, I can't see anywhere better for them to grow up. To be surrounded by nature as God intended (God put Adam and Even in the garden of Eden). The learn life skills from young.

Please be kind in the comments, this is my view and I certainly welcome rebuttals and counter-arguments but do be respectful.

I would hope that every Christian would agree with what I've written - and if there is any that disagrees then they should please give their reasons.

I am sharing hope of eternal life in heaven to those that believe in Jesus Christ, what hope are you giving someone who is disabled in this life?

Church tomorrow, maybe you’ll get all this out of your system.

These sorts of people are so odd. Convinced that typing out all as this twaddle will make other people come around to their way of thinking when it actually has the opposite effect.

Funny how you quote scripture about kindness while using it as a shield to feel superior to everyone else. You talk about persecution like you’re some kind of martyr, but really you’re just another self-righteous bore who thinks parroting verses makes you wise. Christ may have been crucified, but you’re just crucifying common sense every time you type. Nobody’s insulting you because you’re holy — it’s because you’re unbearably smug

@Allergictoironing
You are also suggesting that simply not being a Christian means by definition you're a "sinner".

Out of all the religions, Jesus Christ died and rose up on the third day as prophesied centuries prior - Kings tried to kill him as a baby by killing all boys during that time but they failed. All other prophets and gods died and are still in the grave.

Leaving aside the argument that nearly all the other mainstream religions say theirs is the one true God, how does that explain the number of proclaimed Christians who sin in a big way, or the millions of people who took to another God or Gods who are kind, generous and good?

Goodness is not enough because we are not good only God is. We will be made perfect when Jesus Christ comes again to take his believers with him to the new heaven and new earth.

Christians are instructed to repent and strive to live a righteous life - reading the bible and praying to God will help you do that. Not just by being good yourself because we all fail everyday. Trust God and not man - God says by their fruits you shall know them. If a supposed Christian is committing adultery and sins constantly without change and repentance then it's safe to say they are not children of God. The bible is there for your instruction so follow it with God's help and be a shining light and example to others <3

Frankly, if God did make my child disabled so he could face a life of difficulty, challenge and prejudice, he’s a dickhead and I’d rather not live with him in heaven.

You haven’t answered my question about whether it’s kind of God to drown over 1,000 people because 1 of them said something mildly offensive, OP.

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Because it shows the hardness of hearts towards God.

Romans 1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

How DARE you talk about martyrdom. Yes according to your bible there was martyrdom at the very start of Christianity, but from the point of view of many other religions they have had centuries of being martyred by the Christians slaughtering them in the name of your God. But of course you wouldn't look on them as being martyrs to their faith, just sinners who deserved to die because either they believed in a different God/Gods or their particular sect of Christianity didn't match with the power of the day.

I suggest that before making sweeping statements about your God being the only one reincarnated, possibly read up about a few other religions. Osiris, Baal, Adonis, Dionysus, Inanna - all of these are from before the time of Christ. In fact, it was the latest trend in religions in the last millennium before the birth of Christ. Similar with virgin births, and a few other trends of the time. In fact there is virtually nothing new in Christianity that differs from previous religions, just the insistence that your version is the correct one - pretty arrogant that. Ah no I've just remembered one thing that I can't recollect from other religions (though I'm happy to be corrected), I think it was Christianity that devised the theory of original sin?

By the way, threats (which is what they are) of going to hell don't have any impact on those who believe in a religion that doesn't have a hell.

Sin causes chaos and unfortunately innocent people will be caught up in the firing line. It's a big lesson to everyone not to disobey God's commandments. Devil is the author of evil, he is the one that tempts people to sin not God. He was once a beautiful angel, the highest of them all but he wanted to be like God and God banished him and a third of the angels that also rebelled down to Earth. That is why the world is like it is.

But what I'm trying to reiterate is that if you die in this world through whatever circumstance and you were a born-again Christian (believed and trusted Jesus Christ) then you will enter into heaven forever. Why do you not want to accept that wondrous FREE gift from God?

Nah. I'll stay put. It'll be great if there's less people around though. So I'd encourage it for other people!

Come on now 😆

and you were a born-again Christian (believed and trusted Jesus Christ)

Why do you have to be a born-again Christian? Why aren't people who have been deeply Christian and done good in the name of their God for the entirety of their lives eligible? And why aren't they considered to have believed and trusted Jesus Christ?

One thing you haven't responded to is my comment about your God being supposedly a fair and just God - how does that tie in with your statement that "unfortunately innocent people will be caught up in the firing line." Seems very unfair and unjust to me that these innocent people are punished for the sins of others. Just as unfair and unjust as the sins of the fathers being visited on their children, can't be much more innocent than a new born child, yet already they are condemned to a life of being punished by God for something done by the person who happened to donate their sperm.

I doubt OP goes to church.

Because I’d have to share it with complete shits like you.

For your mh I’m very torn, our neighbour is elderly and can’t drive, if she was in a town or city she could get out and about but she’s reliant on deliveries, us and her family for absolutely everything. We used to live more rural than we are now and nighttime was actually terrifying- just blackness everywhere. There was a spate of robberies at one stage and we were advised to put a padlock on our gate!

Don’t curse God and regret for eternity, please ask for forgiveness. I never said God made your child like that - sin did. Where does sin come from? The Devil.

If you surely have unbelief just pray to God to reveal himself to you.

In reality we all face the greatest wrath from God because of our sin and disobedience - that would be fair - Think about it a parent wouldn’t let their child go scotch free when they do wrong, but God sent his only son down to earth to die for our sins, to redeem us so that whoever believes in him will no perish but have everlasting life.

Jesus came down in human form, suffered greatly - he was spat on, he was scourged, beaten and nailed to the cross - they accused him of all sorts but he was perfect and did no wrong. He paid the ultimate price for our sins. Jesus knows you’re every worries, he is great friend to us. He has told use to let him know of all your worries because he cares for you.

Growing your own food is a lot harder than you think. Killing your own meat is not fun either. It requires raising first. Takes space, a lot of feed in the winter, it’s hard work, very little of it is fun. Pigs absolutely trash the land so no pork unless you have a fenced wood.
You need to know how to can stuff. Need a hell of a lot of space for it. It’s boring as fuck to be frank. Months of growing it. Months of prep work. Then your potatoes get blight, your tomatoes get mildew, the slugs go to town. Even the leeks get some evil fucker in them. (We just sliced and blanched them anyway. )
We are a small holding. We both have full time jobs. DH commutes a hour to town. The animals in no way cost less to produce than the supermarket. We have 4 freezers.

A parent whose adult child misbehaves has no choice other than to let them go ‘Scot free’. Because they’re an adult. Or do you visualise yourself as a naughty ten year old scrumping apples? If so, not viewing yourself as an adult is something to take up in therapy.

And frankly the ‘sending his son to atone for our sins’ as a sort of token scapegoat for humanity always reminds me of the whipping boys medieval princes were said to have had — proxy fall guys who were beaten by tutors for the prince’s misdemeanours. I certainly don’t want anyone sacrificed for my sake.

If it’s true that people make gods in their own image, that says a lot about the OP.

Come to think of it, the parable of the Good Samaritan doesn’t end by saying he changed his religion, does it?

Oh great cop out - all good from god and all bad from the devil - pity god isn’t all powerful then the devil would be overcome

You haven't answered a number of my questions from previous posts still, e.g. the fair and just thing, or in my most recent post why someone who already believes in God needs to be "born again".

So if Jesus paid the ultimate price (temporary only though, if he was resurrected), why are all the other people mentioned by me and others in this thread paying and paying again and again (permanently in their cases)?

You still haven't answered why you think killing all these people for the transgressions of others is fair and just. Using your analogy a teenager could steal or take drugs, and not only them but their 6 month old sibling be punished - please explain why a fair and just God would punish a baby for their sibling's crimes?

Also, surely there should be a consideration of the punishment fitting the crime. You say we all have sin (that concept of original sin again), but surely those who sin in a greater way should be punished more than those who spend their lives striving not to sin, who shouldn't be punished to the same degree?

Regarding the scriptures being inspired by your God, how can we be sure that the selection agreed on by men (each with their own agenda) back in the 5th century is the correct one? That was decided by a conclave of mostly Bishops who wrangled over which of the scriptures were most suited to their views which differed at the time, how do we know that they weren't guided by Satan rather than God (I mean, they were all sinners) in their selections.

Please try answering some of my questions, and not just by quoting from a document that was put together by a committee of men over 1500 years ago who all had agendas. Because surely if you believe so strongly then you should be able to voice things in your own words.

My community in London is fantastic thank you.
I grow veg in my garden.
My neighbour has chickens.
There’s loads to do here.
I love the countryside.
But not sure I want to live there permanently.

You haven't answered a number of my questions from previous posts still, e.g. the fair and just thing, or in my most recent post why someone who already believes in God needs to be "born again".

It's not enough to just believe in God. Matthe 27:21 * *Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

You have to be sorry for your sins, and put on a new nature - that's what it means to be born again - to be made a new creature. Not re-birth in the physical sense.

Also, surely there should be a consideration of the punishment fitting the crime. You say we all have sin (that concept of original sin again), but surely those who sin in a greater way should be punished more than those who spend their lives striving not to sin, who shouldn't be punished to the same degree?

And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

You still haven't answered why you think killing all these people for the transgressions of others is fair and just.

I've answered this. Sin causes chaos. Sin causes misery, hurt, pain, suffering, betrayal and even death. That's the devil's plan - he wants to cut people's lives short before they believe in Jesus Christ. But through God's mercy and perfect will he protects people. He gives everyone a chance to hear about the gospel so that they can make the decision to believe in Him.

how do we know that they weren't guided by Satan rather than God (I mean, they were all sinners) in their selections.

I've answered this before. The bible is the word of God written by man through God. God moves people's hearts to do his will for our good including compiling the bible. If the bible were written by satan it certainly wouldn't prophecy his eternal imprisonment in the bottomless pit never again to tempt the world to do evil.

I would really encourage you to read the bible for yourself, meditate on it and pray to God for understanding. For him to reveal himself to you. To give you belief where you have none. He loves you and desires that you trust in him for your own good. He's your heavenly father, he made you and wants you to live in eternity with him in a place (new heaven and new earth) that your mind would not be able to fathom if it were to be revealed to you on earth.

As C.S Lewis put it, if Jesus Christ (who even historians confirm was real) claimed that he was the son of God and went about doing miracles and allowed himself to suffer for it even to the point of death - you can only come to 2 conclusion. 1. He was a mad man or 2. He really was the son of God as prophesied in the old testament scriptures. C.S Lewis' book Mere Christianity is fantastic actually and points out how he being an Atheist came to the conclusion not just by reading the bible but by using simple logic to believe in Jesus Christ.

I'm happy to answer any questions you have. :)

@Allergictoironing